A little Lily M based drama

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Looks like some of the unpleasant Lewisham Momentum based chums of LM have had a big spat with a housemate.

Apparently this now has something to do with LM and them supporting her for woman's officer, and they are blaming Te*fs.

Okay hands up... which mumsnetter has been breaking and entering in Lewisham. Come on own up.

This latest drama has been brought to you by Dr Haddock and the over sensitive flowers!

mobile.twitter.com/LilyMadigan99/status/1061646015038668800

This is supposed to be the opposition? This is not really encouraging me to vote for them, to put it mildly.

So that's at least the second time LM has manage to remove an elected woman who disagrees with him.

It's really interesting, Lily's twitter feed is a silo of so-beautiful-so-brave, and the FB page is not. I suspect a lot of Lily's problems stem from surrounding themselves with sycophants and then they have absolutely no ability to cope when someone with critical thinking comes along.

I'm a bit worried about Lily. This is a person who's getting thinner and more strident by the day. I do hope someone is actually looking after Lily.

'posting that all trans people are by definition working class'

Did Lily really say that?

I knew being trans meant you were automatically less privileged than everyone else but I didn't know it literally made you working class.

How can Labour still claim to represent the working class when they let one of their proteges make claims like that? How can the actual working class tolerate the appropriation? Doesn't it make the Labour party look utterly fucking demented and irrelevant?

Yep LM did say that. I’ve just been reading the FB page. That comment was a particular standout.

Anyone else finding the Met Police 'Victim of Vandalism' ads popping up on the RHS of the screen since viewing this thread?

I’m thinking of Blackadder, and William Pitt the even younger “why do nice girls hate me....” etc.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=T3jIE3b-bhY

Have I missed a link to the FB page?

Lily hasn't got any assets therefore is working class.
Lily forgets that's lily is a student who's never (seemingly) had a job. Which in my book often leads to having no assets.
Luckily lily gets shipped out to LA to do documentaries and photoshoots with models proving lilys working class credentials

www.facebook.com/300862639938188/posts/2165315410159559/

More specifically, Lily’s problems stem from surrounding themselves with people who enable them to construct a false reality which doesn’t stand up when real reality comes knocking.

In the event of a mental health crisis, you can bet the enablers won’t be copping the flak, it’ll be everyone else, because it’s difficult to shake your fist at... reality.

I only joined MN about last Easter. I am really, really hoping at the end of the year there will be some sort of 'MN favourite thread of the year'. It does have some close contenders, notably the SU conference with the loos, bad breakfasts and the UK Border Force. But that one did miss having the Fragrant Lily put h**self at its centre This is priceless and it will definitely get my vote for Most Entertainment Value of 2018.

This is supposed to be the opposition? This is not really encouraging me to vote for them, to put it mildly.

As a Labour member and elected post-holder, can I just say that most of us in the Party are watching this are as utterly baffled and bemused as everyone else?

None of these people hold positions in the Party which carry any power whatsoever, it's student politics that should be argued about in universities before any of them get anywhere near real politics.

It's just that instead of arguing the toss down at the Student Union they're doing it over Facebook and Twitter.

TakeHands8, that would be OK in itself, but when it is being uncritically retweeted by the likes of dear Owen, is there not a point where central needs to step in?

Re. The Young Ones.

It would totally be Rik in the dress.

(Not that I have previously considered this at length, of course.)

I'm a bit worried about Lily. This is a person who's getting thinner and more strident by the day. I do hope someone is actually looking after Lily.

I agree, their behaviour is very worrying and all the sycophantic supporting of their delusions, are not helping.

Yes, I think someone should step in, absolutely.

In our CLP the youth officers don't get give full control over the CLP's youth Facebook page - they're asked to check anything 'controversial' with the Chair, and if something got past the Chair which was dodgy then the Agent would step in, if the Agent failed the regional office would intervene etc.

I don't understand what is going on with this particular group of people in the Party who are absolutely obsessed with compliance (whoever they are) and Stalinism/Troksy/Marx and whoever the fuck else they've taken to worshipping.

Maybe it's because we don't have many active student members in our CLP, although there are one or two, but even they are normal people who just want to try and improve things for the ordinary person. I think the view of most LP members who aren't following this, if they've heard about it at all, is that it's kids squabbling and we've got better things to do than to take much interest.

Morgan being removed from post absolutely does need investigating though, and I hope she's contacted the Party's regional office.

Sorry, the CLP thing was about what the Young Scotland Labour people had put up on Facebook.

With regards to Owen Jones' retweets, I suppose Labour's Head Office won't be keeping an eye on every tweet and that they'd only investigate if they received complaints about it. Maybe they already have and are, but it's frustrating as fuck that this group of people is draining the Party's time and resources fucking about when it could be much better spent doing constructive things.

Did Lily really say that?

Yes. Comment basically cribbed from one of Shon Faye's word salads - which Faye wrote clearly having been stung by the critique of transactivism as an individualist, bourgeois endeavour having nothing to do with leftist class analysis (which it is).

But saying every trans person is working class by definition and then, in the next breath, I'm so important that I hang out with upper class socialite Cara Delevingne is a lack of self-awareness so great that I don't really have words for it!

Takehands, but surely the choice to let teenage boys become women's officers in the first place involved decisions from above?
If Lily hadn't got the credibility from having been in that role, it would all have less impact.

Bloody hell. It's that easy when you have a penis. Make an accusation, against a woman, with nothing to substantiate it, and have it automatically accepted as truth. If this doesn't cement for everyone that women's rights are being substituted for men's rights, nothing will.

What these young people are doing, and probably need to be allowed to do, is some sort of learning through play.

It’s not a fashionable thing to say (especially with the post-referendum calls for lowering the voting age to 16, ffs), but I think it’s a rare young adult who is properly equipped (intellectually, experientially and emotionally) for politics in the same way as more mature adults.

Not to say they shouldn’t start getting involved, but failing to have a proper framework is proving problematic when the foolishness is so public.

Takehands, but surely the choice to let teenage boys become women's officers in the first place involved decisions from above?

Yes, absolutely 100%. That came from the top, and many, many of us are angry about it and have either got, have tried to get, or are in the process of getting motions about it through our branches and CLPs and to the women's conference and conference. On this, the Party has really, really let us down and I hope they have a serious rethink. I don't know many people in the Party where I'm from who agrees with the decision, just the odd teenage/twenties lads, especially once they realise we're not talking about post-op transsexuals who most of us in the Party have always supported. On this, at least in the North where I'm from, LP members really are concerned.

But they couldn't give a toss about the social media squabbles of a bunch of students down south (or are they in Scotland? I don't understand that bit? I'd also like to know the current location of the trousers).

Here is the Faye article that Lily cribbed from:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/25/trans-equality-class-struggle-obsessive-arguments-boundaries-identity

Final paragraph:

trans liberation must be recognised as a class struggle as well as a feminist and anti-racist endeavour