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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Really shaken - male rage at work

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SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 19:23

For some background: I'm in STEM, so we're looking at a very low percentage of female employees in comparison to other industries. We've also just had another promotions round. Brilliant outcome for women: despite there being significantly fewer of us, we're actually more than half of all promotees. And, speaking as one of the managers involved in the decision process, I'm proud to say that it's all on merit and no affirmative action was involved on the grounds that it simply wasn't needed. We just really focussed on hiring and retaining really good women, and the results speak for themselves.

Anyway, on to what actually happened: male colleague, supervisory level, was passed over for a promotion he applied for in favour of a woman with more experience and, frankly, a much stronger track record. Cue divisional meeting today. All promotion decisions are officially announced to everyone present, including male colleague (who, of course, already knew about himself but not all the other positions).

Colleague utterly loses it, stands up in the middle of the meeting and yells at his manager (male), me (female and his direct boss' line manager) as well as my own line manager (male, very proper and very senior) that we're discriminating against him and that we're utter hypocrites and a bunch of other utterly insane stuff. Then goes on to yell at his female colleagues whose promotions have just been announced that they know they're not better than him and they know they're token women and so on.

We're all speechless but, at this point, I somehow find my voice and order him to sit down, STFU and apologise to his colleagues. He refuses and accuses me of owing my position to having slept with my (also present) boss.

At this point, I literally tell him "sit down and behave like an adult or I'll suspend you with immediate effect on the grounds of gross misconduct". Colleague gets up and storms out of the room.

30 minutes later, his boss, myself and my boss all get an email from HR: colleague has filed a formal grievance claiming sex discrimination.

Anyway, I'm not worried about the outcome. We've got ample evidence for why we picked the candidates we did and it's all well above board. And naturally, colleague's outburst doesn't exactly speak for his leadership qualities and underlines why we were concerned about his emotional maturity. In fact, we've pretty much decided that we're going to have to let him go after this.

I am utterly shaken by his outburst, though. I know about male rage in theory and I have experienced it in a personal capacity, albeit never in a professional situation. The level of rage and entitlement, though. It was utterly terrifying. There was something almost primal about the way he went for his female colleagues (and myself, his boss' boss). I'm obviously an adult and I'm an experienced manager, so it's not something professional me can't handle. But personal me, just a woman who's made it in a male dominated field, is petrified. He hates me so much. He hates my female employees, his colleagues and - in some cases - his direct reports, so much. And he feels so entitled to be the boss of us and to be given preferential treatment over us because he's a man. And he speaks to us with such utter contempt and superiority.

I don't really know what I'm asking. I guess I just needed to share with people I know at least won't reply with "but what about the poor men". Anyway, it's been a horrible day. It'll turn out alright situation-wise, but I can't help being in tears at the ugliness of it all.

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littlbrowndog · 08/11/2018 19:25

Aw sorry skull. Hers a hug and 🍷
How horrible for you
It does shock you when you see it
🍷🍷

Ereshkigal · 08/11/2018 19:27

Wow. So sorry you had that happen to you in front of all your colleagues. More 🍷 from me x

thethoughtfox · 08/11/2018 19:28

You handled that like the boss you are. Well done.

KatVonGulag · 08/11/2018 19:29

He needs to be disciplined for the way he spoke to you. Absolutely out of order.

As for his ridiculous grievance are you in a union? They can be very supportive.
Flowers
And hugs. What a horrible situation and what a stupid individual

AssassinatedBeauty · 08/11/2018 19:29

You handled it really well though, and I bet your female colleagues were bolstered by the way you dealt with him.

It is frightening when these men reveal themselves having previously managed to hold onto a veneer of civil behaviour.

NoseringGirl · 08/11/2018 19:29

 sounds like you handled it brilliantly but I'm not surprised you feel shaken up after that.

ABitCrapper · 08/11/2018 19:31

There is something about male rage that is so much more frightening than female anger.

The fear response is on an instinctive level I think.

I hope you're ok and manage ok

ContessaGoesMarchingDOWNTOHELL · 08/11/2018 19:31

Shit, that must have been horrible.

Positive reading is that he did it in front of everyone, which means a) higher-up men saw him lose it and b) everyone saw you (a woman!) bring him down very firmly. It can't possibly be his word against yours (which would have put you at a disadvantage, sadly) because everyone saw it.

Still horrible to go through, though. Have some wine Wine

FruminousBandersnatch · 08/11/2018 19:32

What a dick. I'm sorry, I would feel shaken, too.

It's almost a good thing he's complained, right? Because now you can have someone spell it out to his face about his lack of experience etc.

OhHolyJesus · 08/11/2018 19:32

What @thethoughtfox said. You handled it really well, did anyone else in management say anything or was it just you trying to contain the situation?

What a total prick. He should be fired.
It must have been a shocking thing to be faced with, no doubt he has issues elsewhere to rage like this but it's scary to witness.

Reminds me of the comparison between C Blasey Ford's quote and respectful tone against Kavanaugh's outbursts and how if she had behaved like him the hearing wouldn't have lasted 5 mins.

AncientLights · 08/11/2018 19:33

Surely it's good that this happened in front of everyone? You all know the truth of it so his complaint to HR can't get very far, as you acknowledge. I'd be considering my position as regards his comment about you sleeping with your boss to get where you are - isn't that some kind of defamation? Go for the jugular.

NotTerfNorCis · 08/11/2018 19:33

Sounds like an MRA.

IncomingCannonFire · 08/11/2018 19:34

You must have been so shocked. Take some time to talk it through with someone removed from the situation (as long as it doesn't compromise you professionally). Have a Wine or Brew.
What an utter bellend. He's shown himself right up in front of everyone. Complete self destruct. Whereas you were very professional. I doubt any of it was about you personally. Hope you give him hell.

PerverseConverse · 08/11/2018 19:34

Fucking hell, how awful. Well done for finding your voice and I hope he's sacked. What a absolute bastard. Wine and flowers for you.

Fantail2018 · 08/11/2018 19:36

Hope you are okay.
I dealt with a similar issue many years ago of a male claiming sex discrimination because a female was promoted over him in a male-dominated industry. Just demonstrated his lack of management and leadership skills (and of course his male privilege). He was not successful in his claim.

BBCK · 08/11/2018 19:36

Surely that is a sackable offence?

TheDodgyDunnyOfDoom · 08/11/2018 19:36

But his rage has become a self fulfilling prophecy. He has illustrated to a room full of people why he wouldn't be suitable for promotion! Foot stamping tantrums are not going to get him the promotion he thinks he is entitled to just due to penis ownership. What a wally!

Urbanbeetler · 08/11/2018 19:37

I feel sorry for whatever woman he may be going home to after that. I hope you throw every book at him possible. Such appalling behaviour. And I hope you’re feeling better by tomorrow. Flowers

lolaflores · 08/11/2018 19:38

You should be so very proud of your own firm response. It probably enraged him more that he couldn't bully you at which point he just leaped into the abyss.
Can you report hum to HR for verbal assault? Get it recorded?
That sort of interaction is exhausting when you can't show you are being in intimidated it the slump after the adrenaline surge to respond in the moment is really horrible.

SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 19:38

Thanks everyone!

Yeah, professional me is perfectly okay. It's pretty clear what needs to happen at this point and, luckily, we've the policies in place to make it happen. Obviously, colleague is going straight to a final warning or possibly outright dismissal, depending on HR's take on things. Equally obviously, he's being relieved of any managerial duties for the time being. I can't have am emotionally unstable misogynist manage my people.

Personal me is really not okay, though. I have no idea whatsoever how to deal with this blatant display of open misogyny on an emotional level. It's just... utterly terrifying!

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Racecardriver · 08/11/2018 19:40

You and your boss should sue him for defamation. Put the fucker in his place. That is the only way to deal with ingrates.

FlaviaAlbia · 08/11/2018 19:41

Flowers and Wine that's a horrible thing to have happened.

On the plus side, he's given himself the sack due to his behaviour so with luck you'll be shot of him soon. I can't imagine anyone in the room wants to work with him after that.

I've had similar though not as bad by the sounds of it and when ordered to apologise, he walked out and never came back. It was such a relief, he'd poisoned the atmosphere of a great team. I'm half wondering if it's the same person, you do wonder how many men there are who are bitter, women hating and unbalanced enough to explode with anger publically like that. Sadly more than one.

Singlenotsingle · 08/11/2018 19:41

He's shown that he can't handle stress; he can't control himself, and that the other promotions were justified. I think I'd be considering suspension, disciplinary and possibly dismissal. Unless he's already resigned of course.

Cherries101 · 08/11/2018 19:43

I think you should give him 2 choices: resign or be demoted. He has just ruined his career within your company.

greenlanes · 08/11/2018 19:44

I want to say well done you Flowers for being confident enough to openly deal with that. I so hope he is told to shove off and not be paid off.

But gosh. So many men feel like that inside, wont voice it due to whatever reasons. But the anger that they feel towards women is just stunning. Why cant normal people see this aggression and violence?