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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Really shaken - male rage at work

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SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 19:23

For some background: I'm in STEM, so we're looking at a very low percentage of female employees in comparison to other industries. We've also just had another promotions round. Brilliant outcome for women: despite there being significantly fewer of us, we're actually more than half of all promotees. And, speaking as one of the managers involved in the decision process, I'm proud to say that it's all on merit and no affirmative action was involved on the grounds that it simply wasn't needed. We just really focussed on hiring and retaining really good women, and the results speak for themselves.

Anyway, on to what actually happened: male colleague, supervisory level, was passed over for a promotion he applied for in favour of a woman with more experience and, frankly, a much stronger track record. Cue divisional meeting today. All promotion decisions are officially announced to everyone present, including male colleague (who, of course, already knew about himself but not all the other positions).

Colleague utterly loses it, stands up in the middle of the meeting and yells at his manager (male), me (female and his direct boss' line manager) as well as my own line manager (male, very proper and very senior) that we're discriminating against him and that we're utter hypocrites and a bunch of other utterly insane stuff. Then goes on to yell at his female colleagues whose promotions have just been announced that they know they're not better than him and they know they're token women and so on.

We're all speechless but, at this point, I somehow find my voice and order him to sit down, STFU and apologise to his colleagues. He refuses and accuses me of owing my position to having slept with my (also present) boss.

At this point, I literally tell him "sit down and behave like an adult or I'll suspend you with immediate effect on the grounds of gross misconduct". Colleague gets up and storms out of the room.

30 minutes later, his boss, myself and my boss all get an email from HR: colleague has filed a formal grievance claiming sex discrimination.

Anyway, I'm not worried about the outcome. We've got ample evidence for why we picked the candidates we did and it's all well above board. And naturally, colleague's outburst doesn't exactly speak for his leadership qualities and underlines why we were concerned about his emotional maturity. In fact, we've pretty much decided that we're going to have to let him go after this.

I am utterly shaken by his outburst, though. I know about male rage in theory and I have experienced it in a personal capacity, albeit never in a professional situation. The level of rage and entitlement, though. It was utterly terrifying. There was something almost primal about the way he went for his female colleagues (and myself, his boss' boss). I'm obviously an adult and I'm an experienced manager, so it's not something professional me can't handle. But personal me, just a woman who's made it in a male dominated field, is petrified. He hates me so much. He hates my female employees, his colleagues and - in some cases - his direct reports, so much. And he feels so entitled to be the boss of us and to be given preferential treatment over us because he's a man. And he speaks to us with such utter contempt and superiority.

I don't really know what I'm asking. I guess I just needed to share with people I know at least won't reply with "but what about the poor men". Anyway, it's been a horrible day. It'll turn out alright situation-wise, but I can't help being in tears at the ugliness of it all.

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katseyes7 · 08/11/2018 22:25

Beyond being totally unprofessional and gross misconduct, that's threatening behaviour, which is a criminal offence. Quite honestly l wouldn't want to work with him again (and l was in the police for 28 years) - you'd never know when he was going to kick off again if things didn't go his way. Oh, and l'd be throwing slander or defamation of character into the mix as well, for him saying you'd slept your way to your post!
Well done on handling it so well! You've done an amazing job and l hope you're proud of yourself. lt's just a shame your male colleague/s didn't speak up, but to be honest a lot of times in these situations, it's much less inflammatory if a woman does it. lt can get physical with two men. The sooner you're rid of him the better.

BlackeyedGruesome · 08/11/2018 22:28

It will take time to recover. Let your non-work self recover when at home. don't turn it inward. And do not let professional self supress the stress you need to let out.

Badstyley · 08/11/2018 22:37

OP, just wanted to say you should be proud of yourself. That sounds scary and upsetting, but you totally bossed him. I hope they sack the bastard. I’d throw the kitchen sink at him if I were you. None of those women will want to be anywhere near him and neither should you have to be.

Well done you. Take care.

Oh and your boss is a coward.

SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 22:41

TBH, I don't think anyone saw any of it as point scoring in either direction at the time.

It was vile, we were all completely speechless, I happened to be the first out of the senior managers present to get my act together and stop him.

I actually kind of felt sorry for my boss. He was horrified, obviously, both at the general situation and at the direct accusation of me having slept my way to the top - with him. Technically, while the verbal attack was obviously directed at me for daring to try and stop colleague, it was a worse attack on my boss substance-wise: colleague may have accused me of being a cold-blooded opportunist. But he de facto, probably without realising it, accused my line manager of quid pro quo sexual harassment, which is not only a sackable offense but also something for which he could end up in court if it were true (or sufficiently credible). I actually truly like and greatly appreciate my boss and, knowing what he's like as a person, get why he froze (which, in hindsight, he did).

As for colleague's direct line manager: I don't blame him. If I'm speechless and totally taken aback myself, I couldn't possibly expect one of my reports to do better.

To be honest, I don't think I was being brave or that my fellow managers weren't. None of us had ever seen anything like it before and none of us was in any way prepared to deal with such an outburst. Neither me nor colleague's direct line manager nor my boss nor any of the other people present.

This is simply not meant to be something we should have to be equipped for in what is supposedly a professional setting in what is meant to be a civilised society.

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ChickaaaaannDipppaaaaassss · 08/11/2018 22:42

I've nothing really to add, but I wish you were my boss OP!

I've just walked from a job working as an EA for quite possibly the angriest man in the world - Part business owner so not going anywhere.
Ordinarily I'd rip his type a new arsehole but there was something about the guy that just stopped me.

You rock OP!

SignMeUp · 08/11/2018 22:58

Please recognize that your experience was violent and you might be having PTSD (post traumatic stress). I'm so sorry.
Be very kind and gentle with yourself over the coming weeks.
I'd also think a wellness day at the spa is in order for you and the entire female staff.
PS I'm in awe of how you handled it!

SignMeUp · 08/11/2018 23:04

There are probably better, but here's a link you might find helpful

.www.verywellmind.com/using-mindfulness-for-ptsd-2797588

Sicario · 08/11/2018 23:05

Classic case of male entitlement throwing its teddy out of the pram. Similar to that thing in the 70's when "women drivers" were The Exorcist and when one dares to overtakes a man (Lord Of The Road) his brain explodes.

Looks to me like you handled it brilliantly. Well done you! applause

Shriek · 08/11/2018 23:07

I was meaning any of you were 'point-scoring' god no! That the convo's here about it was good a woman stood to it it what I thought I'd said, bit obvs hasn't come across like that.
You were brave to do that, all shocked, yes, but you took control, any one of them could habe, but you did. That was brave and I do think others will think so.

Shriek · 08/11/2018 23:10

...and no, it certainly isn't. He took it straight out of the realms of work and professionalism, and you brought it back, bit his action was personal, and violent, and its affected you personally, understandably. You cannot be expected to just deal with it.

Thomasinaa · 08/11/2018 23:16

Gross misconduct and loss of trust and confidence- dismiss.

LockedOutOfMN · 08/11/2018 23:20

That's awful. So aggressive. Well done, OP, and good luck to all of the rightfully promoted colleagues in their new roles.

BotherationBuggeration · 08/11/2018 23:26

“I'd also think a wellness day at the spa is in order for you and the entire female staff.”

WTF?

HannahnotAgnes · 08/11/2018 23:26

Well done on how you handled it Op although I agree with @Popchyk that you shouldn't have had to handle it alone & the men in the room should have visibly supported you.

I hope he's currently suspended pending investigation - he sounds a physical threat to you & other colleagues. I also hope he gets dismissed following the investigation.

Stay strong but remember how you feel personally is completely normal.

Shriek · 08/11/2018 23:30

Yes Botheration also Hmm about girlies needing a wellness spa t'will make all good, and the men?
I thought it was an urban myth on MN, but tis true, its the MN version of having a nice cup of tea I think.

PersonaNonGarter · 08/11/2018 23:30

OP, that is so awful. Well done you but, yeah, horrible.

Someone crazy yelled at me on the bus recently. I handled it fine but I sobbed when I got home and felt very weird for 48hrs afterwards. The aggression, conflict, hatred. It was a shock and very unsettling. You will feel better soon Flowers

RilkeanHeart · 08/11/2018 23:47

Sad how some men are so threatened by intelligent, successful women. Solidarity.

JuliaJaynes9 · 08/11/2018 23:47

This is simply not meant to be something we should have to be equipped for in what is supposedly a professional setting in what is meant to be a civilised society
so difficult to deal with this kind of behaviour when it's not something you normally see, he's hoping that the element of surprise will give him the advantage but he seemingly failed to consider the fact that he was at the same time making a total tit of himself in front of everyone
Was he on glue or something?
🙄

SignMeUp · 08/11/2018 23:59

The spa day clarification botheration and shriek
What is wrong with taking time to relax, heal and rejuvenate? It might be cultural because where I live the spa is an all women's space that has hot tubs, saunas, herbal steams, scrub treatments, Korean food, peace and quiet, etc.
I don't mean manicures and hair treatments and girlie stuff.
I was recommending some down time away from men

Shriek · 09/11/2018 00:21

That sounds awesome signmeup
I do get the sentiment behind taking care of yourself and taking the time out to treat and relax, its not really going to resolve the issues here and it's just been on a thread about MN 'things' so when it came up here, I realised perhaps MNers do propose this as answer to all. I didn't mean to offend you personally, it definitely is a relaxing thing to do! Can't deny that

Shriek · 09/11/2018 00:24

Also, it wasn't just women...this is why I mentioned the men too.
I wonder what they're 'take-away' from this was. What was their level of shock
..fear? ( Men fear being laughed at, women fear being killed )

Shriek · 09/11/2018 00:24

*their

Coyoacan · 09/11/2018 00:26

Well done. I'm jealous of the people working with you.

SignMeUp · 09/11/2018 00:36

Thanks Shriek. Like the OP, I think all of us are shaken. She specifically was asking for personal, rather than professional sisterhood. I was offering an idea that is useful for me. I didn't realize the spa answer can be a minimizing trope on these threads. I'm kind of new here and from the US. But it's the same story all over the world. Even more now that man babies are having hissy-fits in public.
Peace

BlueStateStocking · 09/11/2018 01:35

Kudos to you for handling this so well. Wine Every woman who witnessed your reaction now has another tool in her arsenal for how to react when this happens to her.

I hope the following advice is not out of place, as I don’t want to scare you. As someone who has had to fire male employees, I highly advise you to please make sure to protect yourself. Do an assessment and make sure that he does not know where you live or what your car looks like or what your transportation methods are. It is possible that a man who cannot handle his anger in the workplace in front of dozens of people will be unable to control it after he is out of work and will want to take it out on the woman who he feels is responsible.

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