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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Really shaken - male rage at work

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SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 19:23

For some background: I'm in STEM, so we're looking at a very low percentage of female employees in comparison to other industries. We've also just had another promotions round. Brilliant outcome for women: despite there being significantly fewer of us, we're actually more than half of all promotees. And, speaking as one of the managers involved in the decision process, I'm proud to say that it's all on merit and no affirmative action was involved on the grounds that it simply wasn't needed. We just really focussed on hiring and retaining really good women, and the results speak for themselves.

Anyway, on to what actually happened: male colleague, supervisory level, was passed over for a promotion he applied for in favour of a woman with more experience and, frankly, a much stronger track record. Cue divisional meeting today. All promotion decisions are officially announced to everyone present, including male colleague (who, of course, already knew about himself but not all the other positions).

Colleague utterly loses it, stands up in the middle of the meeting and yells at his manager (male), me (female and his direct boss' line manager) as well as my own line manager (male, very proper and very senior) that we're discriminating against him and that we're utter hypocrites and a bunch of other utterly insane stuff. Then goes on to yell at his female colleagues whose promotions have just been announced that they know they're not better than him and they know they're token women and so on.

We're all speechless but, at this point, I somehow find my voice and order him to sit down, STFU and apologise to his colleagues. He refuses and accuses me of owing my position to having slept with my (also present) boss.

At this point, I literally tell him "sit down and behave like an adult or I'll suspend you with immediate effect on the grounds of gross misconduct". Colleague gets up and storms out of the room.

30 minutes later, his boss, myself and my boss all get an email from HR: colleague has filed a formal grievance claiming sex discrimination.

Anyway, I'm not worried about the outcome. We've got ample evidence for why we picked the candidates we did and it's all well above board. And naturally, colleague's outburst doesn't exactly speak for his leadership qualities and underlines why we were concerned about his emotional maturity. In fact, we've pretty much decided that we're going to have to let him go after this.

I am utterly shaken by his outburst, though. I know about male rage in theory and I have experienced it in a personal capacity, albeit never in a professional situation. The level of rage and entitlement, though. It was utterly terrifying. There was something almost primal about the way he went for his female colleagues (and myself, his boss' boss). I'm obviously an adult and I'm an experienced manager, so it's not something professional me can't handle. But personal me, just a woman who's made it in a male dominated field, is petrified. He hates me so much. He hates my female employees, his colleagues and - in some cases - his direct reports, so much. And he feels so entitled to be the boss of us and to be given preferential treatment over us because he's a man. And he speaks to us with such utter contempt and superiority.

I don't really know what I'm asking. I guess I just needed to share with people I know at least won't reply with "but what about the poor men". Anyway, it's been a horrible day. It'll turn out alright situation-wise, but I can't help being in tears at the ugliness of it all.

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OhHolyJesus · 08/11/2018 20:44

@mayhew Margaret Atwood said that I believe....said another MNer on a Handmaids Tale thread...a programme that tells us a lot about male power, privilege and rage against women.

FermatsTheorem · 08/11/2018 20:45

I'm not surprised you were very shaken up - I would have been bricking it.

However - might it be a good idea to have this thread taken down? I'd say the scenario is sufficiently detailed to be uniquely identifying, and would cause trouble if angry bloke's eventual employment lawyer were to stumble upon it.

Binglebong · 08/11/2018 20:46

Is thete any way he can be suspended while this is investigated? I'm worried about how uncomfortable the office will be while he is present for the sake of your other employees he needs to not be there.

And maybe do an internal email to everyone reiterating that all promotions were done on merit and not positive discrimination. Just so the women who have been promoted feel supported.

museumum · 08/11/2018 20:54

I would be shocked to discover one of my male colleagues felt this way about women in the workplace. Were there signs before that he was an arrogant misogynist? I pity any woman who shares her life with him 😢

Dragongirl10 · 08/11/2018 20:59

Op l am sorry for the horrible experience you have had. l do think you handled it very well.

I am however not surprised as l used to work in a male dominated industry, and for many men their contempt for women in any senior role is frightening to behold...especially when they think no one is taking much notice and let their guard down.

KatherinaMinola · 08/11/2018 21:09

Totally understand how you feel now, and I think you handled it well. With luck your boss will stand his ground on this and support you.

I also understand why you've posted this here, but if I were you I'd get it deleted, as it's very identifiable should this become a legal case.

KatherinaMinola · 08/11/2018 21:10

You are probably in breach of your employer's policies by posting about it.

sackrifice · 08/11/2018 21:17

Is he suspended?

I think HR need to suspend him first thing tomorrow, pending the investigation into gross misconduct and then take advice about dealing with his grievance [which should be easily done, if you have the scoring of all candidates and the rationale which can be looked at by a third party to check the process was carried out fairly]. Pending the investigation into his grievance, if it is found in your favour then it cannot be a contributing factor to his gross misconduct.

You cannot have him working alongside women in particular when he is displaying this behaviour.

He needs to not be in work for the investigation period.

Mokepon · 08/11/2018 21:25

I think you handled it brilliantly and I really wish I worked with you.
Stem is so full of the old boys network and although I've never experienced anything like that the low level nonsense is draining.
Truly awful but not surprising.
Hope it all gets sorted quickly.

Tanith · 08/11/2018 21:28

I wonder if he raised his grievance with HR as an attempt to head off any disciplinary action for his outburst.

DidoAndHerLament · 08/11/2018 21:29

Ug, not surprised you're shaken, naked male rage is shocking and threatening. It's also shit that no-one else stood up to him with you. Flowers

halfwitpicker · 08/11/2018 21:31

You're obviously the bomb, op.

Thanks for fighting our corner.

JuliaJaynes9 · 08/11/2018 21:36

You owned him and he machineguned himself in both feet
🖐️

Jungster · 08/11/2018 21:36

Nerve of him going to HR with ''sex discrimination'' when as well as his tantrum he slandered you saying you'd slept with your boss Shock
I agree with the resign or take a demotion offer. He's lucky he's not fired.

He should be.

Jungster · 08/11/2018 21:37

@tanith, I agree, sounds like he knew he'd gone too far and this is to try and deflect from his behaviour and give a ''two sides'' feel to the issue.

JuliaJaynes9 · 08/11/2018 21:37

It does sound terrifying but remember this, he lost control and that is a sign of weakness
he's a loose cannon a liability a total pain in the ass
no one will want him on their team

Echobelly · 08/11/2018 21:38

I just want to add my applause Star on how you dealt with this and agree that you did all women a service by standing up to his nastiness and bullying

Totally get why you're shaken, he attacked you verbally and then there is also the comedown from the tension of having made a stand - so take care of yourself. I'm glad it sounds like everyone's on your side, and I hope this guy is gone soon.

ohello · 08/11/2018 21:51

There is no identifying info in this thread at all, and other women need to know that this level of sexism is taken seriously and handled well, so I hope this thread stays up.

Well done OP! Grin Wine Do let us know what happens? When he gets fired we can have Cake

Shriek · 08/11/2018 21:55

Oh OP! I do feel your shock and horror at his attack and threatened violence.
He needs to be suspended, he cannot be trusted by any 'colleagues' from whom he has completely alienated himself.
As for you, you need your own support
Does your work offer this? Treat it like a car crash, it will affect you for a while, please acknowledge it in every way you can , and get support to recover or it can stay with you and infiltrate other relationships and interactions, especially with other men in future that raise their voice, because that will affect your professional 'you'. This will not stay separate unless you get some immediate support.
He has heavy duty repercussions for this.

Italiangreyhound · 08/11/2018 21:58
Thanks
Shriek · 08/11/2018 21:58

It's not possible to gainfully employ someone who has broken down his working relationships.
I am.so glad everyone has seen him for who he is, as he's clearly been appraised of his own lack of success in the interview process, so its purely hatred and rage at women getting these positions.
You acted with strength, authority and justifiably.

IStandWithPosie · 08/11/2018 22:05

Very well done to you OP. I’m so sorry this happened. As I was reading your OP I felt genuine terror. It is Terrifying just how angry some men are with women as a default state.

It feels like a very odd thing to say, but what happened today has a positive to it. Everyone in that room saw you (woman) handle him. On your own, with complete authority. Everyone saw that you and your company DO NOT TAKE THAT SHIT. All those women you promoted saw first hand that you have their back and that this is a good company for women. And they will tell other staff. Male staff will learn that they either control themselves or you will put them right back into their box and female staff will learn that you will absolutely deal with any abuse of them by male staff. Senior staff have seen how you handle yourself and aggressive males staff. You are now a very important person in this company (not that you weren’t before!) you represent something very important and that is a better workplace for women. Be very proud of yourself.

FrumpyTrumpy · 08/11/2018 22:15

I disagree with the other posters. I'm glad your boss let you handle it. He (and your female) employees needed to see him be smacked down by a woman. Also if you're the one that happened to be ready to say something and handled it first, it would have been wrong to cut you off and take over.

I think the black/while analogy doesn't work as white men dont expect black me to be terrified of their outbursts. This was male rage designed to intimidate women

Shriek · 08/11/2018 22:15

My only regret in this is that none of the males took the lead. This is not one for the women,but the mean to address full on. I suspect you are stronger than them because it was powerful and very brave to engage with him; very different than watching to see what anyone else does,but your personal self stepped forward and took a huge risk in the face of that rage. This is what you suffer the after effects of,that others that didn't engage with him will not suffer from.
As a professional I would be putting support in place for all involved in that, offering support in case any want to talk it through.

Shriek · 08/11/2018 22:17

I don't agree about winning female/male points here, its unveiled aggression and highly damaging. I think it's a dreadful shame you had to take this head on, as a woman, its damaging.