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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Really shaken - male rage at work

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SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 19:23

For some background: I'm in STEM, so we're looking at a very low percentage of female employees in comparison to other industries. We've also just had another promotions round. Brilliant outcome for women: despite there being significantly fewer of us, we're actually more than half of all promotees. And, speaking as one of the managers involved in the decision process, I'm proud to say that it's all on merit and no affirmative action was involved on the grounds that it simply wasn't needed. We just really focussed on hiring and retaining really good women, and the results speak for themselves.

Anyway, on to what actually happened: male colleague, supervisory level, was passed over for a promotion he applied for in favour of a woman with more experience and, frankly, a much stronger track record. Cue divisional meeting today. All promotion decisions are officially announced to everyone present, including male colleague (who, of course, already knew about himself but not all the other positions).

Colleague utterly loses it, stands up in the middle of the meeting and yells at his manager (male), me (female and his direct boss' line manager) as well as my own line manager (male, very proper and very senior) that we're discriminating against him and that we're utter hypocrites and a bunch of other utterly insane stuff. Then goes on to yell at his female colleagues whose promotions have just been announced that they know they're not better than him and they know they're token women and so on.

We're all speechless but, at this point, I somehow find my voice and order him to sit down, STFU and apologise to his colleagues. He refuses and accuses me of owing my position to having slept with my (also present) boss.

At this point, I literally tell him "sit down and behave like an adult or I'll suspend you with immediate effect on the grounds of gross misconduct". Colleague gets up and storms out of the room.

30 minutes later, his boss, myself and my boss all get an email from HR: colleague has filed a formal grievance claiming sex discrimination.

Anyway, I'm not worried about the outcome. We've got ample evidence for why we picked the candidates we did and it's all well above board. And naturally, colleague's outburst doesn't exactly speak for his leadership qualities and underlines why we were concerned about his emotional maturity. In fact, we've pretty much decided that we're going to have to let him go after this.

I am utterly shaken by his outburst, though. I know about male rage in theory and I have experienced it in a personal capacity, albeit never in a professional situation. The level of rage and entitlement, though. It was utterly terrifying. There was something almost primal about the way he went for his female colleagues (and myself, his boss' boss). I'm obviously an adult and I'm an experienced manager, so it's not something professional me can't handle. But personal me, just a woman who's made it in a male dominated field, is petrified. He hates me so much. He hates my female employees, his colleagues and - in some cases - his direct reports, so much. And he feels so entitled to be the boss of us and to be given preferential treatment over us because he's a man. And he speaks to us with such utter contempt and superiority.

I don't really know what I'm asking. I guess I just needed to share with people I know at least won't reply with "but what about the poor men". Anyway, it's been a horrible day. It'll turn out alright situation-wise, but I can't help being in tears at the ugliness of it all.

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SonEtLumiere · 08/11/2018 19:45

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FlaviaAlbia · 08/11/2018 19:45

Cross post.

No one should face that level of spite, hate and rage and be ok with it. What you're feeling is a perfectly rational reaction, it'll take time to settle.

Noqont · 08/11/2018 19:49

That's horrible. Nasty spiteful fucker. I'm sorry op that you had to deal with that Flowers

SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 19:52

And, FWIW, no, the other managers present didn't speak up:

His direct line manager was simply miles out of his depth. Which I have every sympathy for. In all fairness, I was massively out of my depth myself and was letting myself be guided entirely by instinct - which told me that, as the sole woman manager present, it was my job to come down hard on him.

My boss later said he would have intervened if necessary but thought I handled the situation well and that he thought it was better that I was the one - again in my role as the sole female manager present.

So, like I said, professionally speaking, it all worked out quite well. I'm just horrified on in very personal capacity.

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jay55 · 08/11/2018 19:52

He needs to go. He can't accuse someone of sleeping their way to the top. That's so beyond what is acceptable in the workplace.

RedDogsBeg · 08/11/2018 20:00

Well done for handling it so well, OP. Thank goodness you were there and capable of dealing with it so calmly and professionally on behalf of everyone, especially your female colleagues.

It is extremely frightening and shocking to witness full blown male rage, I think it is because we know how easily it can tip from words into physical violence, so I am not at all surprised that on a personal level you are very shaken.

I sincerely hope he gets the sack, there is no justification or excuse for that behaviour.

All the best to you, OP.

SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 20:01

And, yes, he needs to go. Not because of what he said about me. As a woman manager in STEM I'm well used to that notion (though, granted, it's normally not said this openly), and my work persona will have the likes of him for breakfast.

But he does need to go because I have young, talented women (and men) working under him who, unlike myself, don't have the confidence that comes with being a manager in their thirties and who may simply quietly resign. He needs to go because my staff deserve better. And he needs to go because this is not the kind of workplace I want to be running.

How ever much I may privately feel shaken and tearful, he needs to go because - in my professional capacity - I owe my employees more.

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FFSFFSFFS · 08/11/2018 20:04

Oh god yes male rage when unleashed is shocking isn't it.

Well done you but yes understandably feeling very very shaken.

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Popchyk · 08/11/2018 20:05

Really sorry this happened to you. And good on you for standing your ground, upsetting though it was.

"My boss later said he would have intervened if necessary but thought I handled the situation well and that he thought it was better that I was the one - again in my role as the sole female manager present".

That bothers me.

If this man had raged against black people in the office and made slurs against them, would it be up to the only black manager who was there to deal with it? Why couldn't the white managers deal with it?

Blatant misogynistic rage needs to be dealt with by all managers, not just the women.

I'd offer that as feedback to the other managers when it is appropriate to do so. This guy probably thinks he can get away with this kind of behaviour precisely because he knows that the male managers are hands-off when it comes to awful behaviour towards women. It isolates female managers and makes them more of a target to a certain type of man.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 08/11/2018 20:06

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SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 20:07

I think it is because we know how easily it can tip from words into physical violence

Thank you!!! I think I only just realised what it is that feels like such an existential threat, even when I know I'm his boss' boss and demonstrably right on the fact.

It's the just-below-conscious level of awareness that he probably want to, literally, strange his female colleagues and myself that scares me.

This has been an eye-opener.

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AyeRobot · 08/11/2018 20:08

I can't believe that you were the only one who said anything! Well done, you.

I think there are many of us here who can recognise that rage implied in many interactions with men when their entitlement is thwarted. I know I have modified the my behaviour on account of it in lots of work & non work situations, because I know that the repercussions will likely not be sufficient. He needs to be rewarded with the consequences of his actions and I hope that is a sacking.

redexpat · 08/11/2018 20:09

I wish there were more bosses like you.

theOtherPamAyres · 08/11/2018 20:09

Apart from the "incident", I thought that it was an insensitive way of announcing promotions.

ResistanceIsNecessary · 08/11/2018 20:09

The standing up and shouting abuse at the successful female candidates is gross misconduct - the shouting back at you and refusing to sit down is gross misconduct again.

Between those two I'd say you've got a good case for sacking him.

Hope you are OK. It's always very unnerving when you face male rage - probably because the type of men who behave that way really dislike women and losing their tempers exposes them for the misogynists that they are.

IdaBWells · 08/11/2018 20:11

He definitely needs to go because his work colleagues will almost certainly feel just as shaken and frightened by his outburst. No one should have to deal with that and be forced to cope with his presence, when he is under a dark cloud of fury because he can’t cope with disappointment. There is the danger of losing excellent employees who don’t want to be anywhere near him.

He’s shown very clearly he should not be in a position where others have to report to him.

Also the company needs to show both men and women that this behaviour will not be tolerated, I really don’t see how he can come back from this.

ChattyLion · 08/11/2018 20:13

Great handling OP. He sounds awful and a liability to your organisation. Your junior colleagues do not deserve to have to work alongside someone again now he has shown that capacity for professionally destructive and personally very frightening and upsetting behaviour.

IdaBWells · 08/11/2018 20:13

Also maybe workplace anger should be confronted directly, have workshops or discussions about constructive ways to handle anger. Some people (men and women) have never witnessed people handling their anger any differently than lashing out at those around them.

SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 20:16

Apart from the "incident", I thought that it was an insensitive way of announcing promotions.

Just to clarify: this was obviously not how the applicants themselves learned about whether or not they'd been successful. We handled that the way you're meant to, i.e. in a meeting with the parties involved, including detailed feedback for both the successful as well unsuccessful applicants and all that. Basically, the usual.

The meeting was basically meant to put everyone in the picture regarding the new organisational structure. So all promotees, as well as all unsuccessful applicants and anybody who'd been told in private by either of the above, would have walked in fully informed about their personal situation.

We're a professional services firm, not a reality TV show, after all. Grin

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Wrathofjurgenklop · 08/11/2018 20:23

His actions show that you made the right decision.

100% the right decision. Star

You could mark it up as CPD experience.
The personal 'you' should be very proud of your professional self.
She's done you proud.

Loopytiles · 08/11/2018 20:24

His behaviour was gross misconduct IMO: after due process he could be fired.

The suggestion that it was right you dealt with it because of your sex was evidence that your organisation still has some way to go on equality!

Not the main point, and in no way excuses his behaviour, but it is much better IME to notify teams of promotions by email, especially when there are unsuccessful candidates in the team.

ZackPizzazz · 08/11/2018 20:29

What @Popchyk said. The other managers there should not have been sitting there all "deedly dee, this isn't about us, can't possibly intervene". I'm sure they were shocked and startled too, but the fact that he was attacking women generally is a reason why a male manager, ideally your boss, should have stepped in and squashed him flat. I would definitely point that out to them, if necessary using the black manager/white manager analogy.

You handled it really well. No wonder you're freaked. I'm sorry you had to deal with that Flowers

BreakWindandFire · 08/11/2018 20:29

Genuinely, do you feel physically safe being in the same office as him tomorrow? You were extremely brave today (and your male colleagues were quaking in their boots, not waiting to see if you handled things well!), but he's behaved in a very threatening manner to you.

Iused2BanOptimist · 08/11/2018 20:30

Wow. What a horrible experience. Still he has done you all a massive favour, so many witnesses and presumably on his way out now. If he had bottled his anger he could be still in his job, backbiting, undermining and generally being a snake in the grass making everyone's lives a misery.

Plus he went to HR to file his grievance. He could, possibly have saved himself if he had apologised and gone off sick claiming stress and then you'd still have the prospect of dealing with him when he came back. So, silver linings and all that. 😏

mayhew · 08/11/2018 20:34

Who was it that said, " men are frightened that women will laugh at them and women are frightened that men might kill them." ?

That's why you're so shaken. His rage was threatening violence.