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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Really shaken - male rage at work

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SkullPointerException · 08/11/2018 19:23

For some background: I'm in STEM, so we're looking at a very low percentage of female employees in comparison to other industries. We've also just had another promotions round. Brilliant outcome for women: despite there being significantly fewer of us, we're actually more than half of all promotees. And, speaking as one of the managers involved in the decision process, I'm proud to say that it's all on merit and no affirmative action was involved on the grounds that it simply wasn't needed. We just really focussed on hiring and retaining really good women, and the results speak for themselves.

Anyway, on to what actually happened: male colleague, supervisory level, was passed over for a promotion he applied for in favour of a woman with more experience and, frankly, a much stronger track record. Cue divisional meeting today. All promotion decisions are officially announced to everyone present, including male colleague (who, of course, already knew about himself but not all the other positions).

Colleague utterly loses it, stands up in the middle of the meeting and yells at his manager (male), me (female and his direct boss' line manager) as well as my own line manager (male, very proper and very senior) that we're discriminating against him and that we're utter hypocrites and a bunch of other utterly insane stuff. Then goes on to yell at his female colleagues whose promotions have just been announced that they know they're not better than him and they know they're token women and so on.

We're all speechless but, at this point, I somehow find my voice and order him to sit down, STFU and apologise to his colleagues. He refuses and accuses me of owing my position to having slept with my (also present) boss.

At this point, I literally tell him "sit down and behave like an adult or I'll suspend you with immediate effect on the grounds of gross misconduct". Colleague gets up and storms out of the room.

30 minutes later, his boss, myself and my boss all get an email from HR: colleague has filed a formal grievance claiming sex discrimination.

Anyway, I'm not worried about the outcome. We've got ample evidence for why we picked the candidates we did and it's all well above board. And naturally, colleague's outburst doesn't exactly speak for his leadership qualities and underlines why we were concerned about his emotional maturity. In fact, we've pretty much decided that we're going to have to let him go after this.

I am utterly shaken by his outburst, though. I know about male rage in theory and I have experienced it in a personal capacity, albeit never in a professional situation. The level of rage and entitlement, though. It was utterly terrifying. There was something almost primal about the way he went for his female colleagues (and myself, his boss' boss). I'm obviously an adult and I'm an experienced manager, so it's not something professional me can't handle. But personal me, just a woman who's made it in a male dominated field, is petrified. He hates me so much. He hates my female employees, his colleagues and - in some cases - his direct reports, so much. And he feels so entitled to be the boss of us and to be given preferential treatment over us because he's a man. And he speaks to us with such utter contempt and superiority.

I don't really know what I'm asking. I guess I just needed to share with people I know at least won't reply with "but what about the poor men". Anyway, it's been a horrible day. It'll turn out alright situation-wise, but I can't help being in tears at the ugliness of it all.

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ErrolTheDragon · 09/11/2018 13:33

My DD is doing an engineering degree - she's well aware of the sex imbalance, but so are the serious employers. Many of the sectors are facing a skills shortage so are actively trying to do better on attracting and retaining female staff.

Choochoothepanda · 09/11/2018 14:34

Please recognize that your experience was violent and you might be having PTSD (post traumatic stress). I'm so sorry.
Be very kind and gentle with yourself over the coming weeks

PTSD? Hmm

How on earth do you think those of us in the police, fire brigade, ambulance service, armed forces cope day to day? The idea that someone shouting and gobbing off in the office can give PTSD is pretty fucking insulting to be honest.

WhereYouLeftIt · 09/11/2018 14:57

Well done on how you handled this, Skull. I know I have frozen when faced with a completely unexpected attack, my brain just went into this-cannot-be-happening-there-must-be-another-explanation-let-me-run-through-the-possibilities mode and I FROZE. As did everyone in the room that wasn't him.

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this possibility (I only read the first few responses and all your updates) but - his comment about you sleeping your way up the ladder. Could this be projection on his part, i.e. has he pressured any young woman who reports to him Sad?

He reached for that scenario too quickly IMO - if he harbours any belief that that's what women must have done to get anywhere, then I fear it is possible that he may have (at the very least Sad) implied to any woman reporting to him that he would be expecting "this" of her.

Might it be worth interviewing those reporting to him to ensure they have not been put under pressure?

ErrolTheDragon · 09/11/2018 14:57

Yes... the OP may well be in the same sort of state as eg if someone crashes into your car and then has an aggressive go at you. A sort of shock but not PTSD.

Hopefully it's starting to wear off a bit today.Thanks

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 09/11/2018 15:02

@SkullPointerException

You did brilliantly. Sorry you're going through this.

I totally get why you need to share this horrible experience with like minded women but - to repeat what Bowl said upthread - I'd get this thread taken down. I think it could be identifying. You know best of course, but things from here do sometimes end up in the newspapers. My thoughts. Will leave it up to you.

wopbamboo · 09/11/2018 15:44

jayyyyzuz, thats terrible. Sorry you experienced that.

Weezol · 09/11/2018 15:53

Beyond being totally unprofessional and gross misconduct, that's threatening behaviour, which is a criminal offence. Quite honestly l wouldn't want to work with him again (and l was in the police for 28 years) - you'd never know when he was going to kick off again if things didn't go his way. Oh, and l'd be throwing slander or defamation of character into the mix as well, for him saying you'd slept your way to your post!

Absolutely this for work you. It would be dismissal for gross misconduct in my profession with half an hour to clear your desk and escorted exit.

For not-work you, having been in similar situations I now view people like your colleague with a certain amount of pity. To be so insecure and lacking in confidence that this is his behaviour at work over a promotion is pitiful.

To be a STEM professional and be unable to put together a reasoned and logical argument is feckin woeful.

To have this level of entitlement means he must spend a lot of time being disappointed.

Bloody awful way to live if you ask me.

woollyheart · 09/11/2018 16:32

Although there may be fewer women in STEM, I've always found that you get a good proportion of people who assess you on your merits for the job, whether you are male or female.

There will of course be some men who simply can't accept that female colleagues perform better than them and throw a tantrum like this.

The way that your organisation reacts to this tells you whether you have anything to worry about or not.

arranfan · 09/11/2018 16:38

Dropping this in as relevant. Good cartoon in Glosswitch's tweet:

twitter.com/glosswitch/status/1060306018494767104

The article is worth a look: 12 non-threatening leadership strategies for women.

www.good.is/articles/12-non-threatening-leadership-strategies-for-women?utm_source=upw&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=1

woollyheart · 09/11/2018 16:48

Haha - likes the non-threatening strategies! I've tried a few of these and had them backfire!

I think the one about wearing a moustache might be the most effective.

Idkwtf · 09/11/2018 16:50

www.good.is/articles/12-non-threatening-leadership-strategies-for-women?utm_source=upw&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=1
do you really think that article is good arrafan?
I think it's dreadful, the woman was on the radio this morning, breathy silly girlie approach.
I thought it was totally counterproductive Confused

Idkwtf · 09/11/2018 16:53

the non threat leadership book may as well be called 'how to carry on doing the work and letting men take the credit' or 'how to be compliant and subservient'
is she on glue??

arranfan · 09/11/2018 16:54

do you really think that article is good

tl;dr I find it mildly amusing.

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The article is by a comedian and it is mildly amusing with the cartoon illustrations to the point where it caused me to smile on a Friday afternoon after a workshop series where I repeatedly saw this behaviour in play.

Looking again at gloss witch's thread, several other women seem to recognise those behaviours in themselves enough to take it with a rueful smile of recognition.

Idkwtf · 09/11/2018 16:57

is she sending up what women do to appease men?
or is she serious

woollyheart · 09/11/2018 17:00

She is sending up what women to appease men.

woollyheart · 09/11/2018 17:02

I started by doing some of these and quickly learnt that it was really not a good idea!

I never tried the moustache- that might have worked. Maybe people would have been more worried about complaining about a trans person than a woman.

EBearhug · 09/11/2018 17:06

Many of the sectors are facing a skills shortage so are actively trying to do better on attracting and retaining female staff.

Yes, but they're often not involving the men in the ranks, and being the majority, they shape the culture to a large extent. They simply don't recognise unconscious bias and so on - and often, it's only women and managers who get training on diversity and UB and so on. The people who really need to know about it and change their own behaviour are mostly not getting the message. As with the OP's example.

TeiTetua · 09/11/2018 17:10

What a miserable experience! But it does seem as though the other men present were giving him no support at all, and there's a fair and reasonable policy in effect that will handle this individual. He's set himself up as an enemy of civilisation, and he's going to lose.

In fact this seems to be a very decent company to work for, which recognises talent no matter who has it. It's too bad that some people show themselves to be unworthy of being part of that! I'm sorry for this man--we could say he's dug his own grave, but he's acted so badly that I wonder if there's a mental health issue involved here, which makes you worry about his future anywhere. At least he hasn't been violent (yet).

CrabbityRabbit · 09/11/2018 17:19

How did today go OP?

booze2shoes · 09/11/2018 17:24

Wow, well done for handling it so well. That's really impressive. It's not surprising you are shaken, anyone would be after an assault like that.

Imsoimso · 09/11/2018 17:30

In my last job, there were 4 directors. All men. 4 Managers. All men.
AMEN

Imsoimso · 09/11/2018 17:31

It's shameful to see the bias toward men in senior positions. Shameful.

AnneElliott · 09/11/2018 17:48

Well done op.

I have a similar bully in my team - he finally got suspended this week as HR now seem to be taking it seriously. And my one has a similar issue with women and uses aggression to get his own way.

Idkwtf · 09/11/2018 21:06

When you are angry your focus narrows to the immediate future and the immediate vicinity, you are unable to see the long-term consequences of what you are doing
He will be realising now that he has really messed things up for himself

RosietheRiveter0000 · 09/11/2018 22:48

For a couple of years I have been thinking about a woman’s role in today’s world, asking myself questions like what are the differences between men and women? How are we similar? How should we respond to our differences and how can we optimize our strengths? What does that mean for going into the military?
Especially since I’m going into the Air Force, Rosie the Riveter has inspired me to go out and do it.
Recently I read an article on the origins of this poster and found that its legacy is not consistent with its original intent. It was part of a series posted for a week in the back room of Westinghouse Electric during WWII to raise moral among all the workers, men and women. And then no one thought anything more of it until the 80s when it was uncovered and became the symbol of women power that we know today.
This article interested me and made me wonder how many ideas do we have that do not match the intent of the source.
I got this information from this space: Kimble, J. J., & Olson, L. C. (2006). VISUAL RHETORIC REPRESENTING ROSIE THE RIVETER: MYTH AND MISCONCEPTION IN J. HOWARD MILLER'S "WE CAN DO IT!" POSTER. Rhetoric & Public Affairs, 9(4), 533-539,541-551,554-555,558,560- 569. Retrieved from <a class="break-all" href="https://georgefox.idm.oclc.org/login?url=search.proquest.com/docview/23117937" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">georgefox.idm.oclc.org/login?url=search.proquest.com/docview/23117937 1?accountid=11085