I’ve hit peak trans!

[BleakBetty]

Thanks, ‘Dr’ Rachel McKinnon.

What made you hit peak trans, and why? Apologies if this has been done to death - new to this topic.

Do you think Rachel realised her agenda has spectacularly backfired and peak transing thousands? For the first time in my life I, a staunch labour voter, feel I have to rethink my political leanings and can no longer support a party that are choosing to collide in misogyny and support self ID.

hellandhairnets no, it wouldn’t go down well with most people, really - except predatory men and boys. Odd that F4 can’t see this. Perhaps they just identify as a feminist, rather than actually being one?

Anyway. I don’t know if my peak trans was a true one as I never went along with any of it in the first place. I was just completely and blissfully ignorant of the whole transactivist phenomenon and the changes that had taken place in the world I thought I knew, while I was busy dealing with seemingly endless challenges in my own life - until I came across a thread in AIBU about this charmer:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3077837/Transgender-woman-s-fury-Primark-staff-bar-using-female-changing-rooms-shopping-trip.html
and I hit peak trans instantaneously: heartless, I know. (Sorry for the Fail link but this was the very article linked thereto and it remains an absolute shocker.)

I was genuinely gobsmacked that I was supposed to regard this individual as a woman, that the Fail referred to them as a woman, and particularly when the individual concerned said they tried to use the female changing rooms “like any other woman would”, with that brazen denial of all the blindingly obvious and inescapable differences between this person and actual women. And also the appropriation of victimhood by an entitled, narcissistic, boundary-transgressing male.

I still think it’s the most outrageous affront to truth, to reality, to justice, honesty and integrity. (Not just this case; the whole ideology of transactivism. Although actually this case does encapsulate a lot of the issues.)

As rightreckoner said, “It is on my mind all the time. It's a horrible realisation that the world is not what I thought it was” - yes, it's like waking up to a nightmare, really. I see it as a form of structural emotional abuse against women and girls, and GNC children, which is deeply distressing. And the fact it’s structural emotional abuse being enabled and lauded by the very authorities that are supposed to PROTECT the vulnerable; being passed off as something virtuous when it is anything but - that’s what really gives it the nightmarish quality.

But still. As others have also said, the great thing about it all is that it’s bringing women together in ways I’m sure transactivists never envisaged; making women aware of just how deeply misogynist the world still is; and breathing new life into a real, radical feminism. Hooray for all that!

Hit my first peak earlier this year with Jess Bradley, and it was like the scales fell from my eyes- I realised that my previous live and let live attitude would see all us cunty type women trampled by a herd of misogynist men in skirts who think they can woman better than us; who think so little of women as people and all that we are and that we can do, that our lived experience and desire for safety counts for nothing, that we're bigots if we question. Fuck that shit.
My dd is 5 weeks old and damned if I'm ok with letting things get worse instead of better for her. Mostly i lurk in here and learn, and get angrier.

Yes Talking I read that about the adolescent shower and the girl and trans person too. Was it deleted? Who would’ve thought someone (a parent) would be upset by that?

Well Whoever Is Peak Transing The World , it seems to be catching

As Many Lesbian Mothers on here have predicted, Once the Transsexuals have been erased , they will start on us Lesbians and Gay men

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/25/death-to-lgbt-graffitied-on-holocaust-memorial-in-tel-aviv/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Buffer&utm_campaign=PN

I think my initial peak moment was about the one who headbutted a barman then tried to suggest that they'd be under threat themselves in a male prison, cue a huge social media campaign to get this person into a female prison with lots of photos of them looking sweet, girly and innocent - after they'd been convicted of a very thuggish violent, and dare I say it typically male act. After all you don't tend to get females headbutting people. Since then it's been peak after peak, sometimes multiple times a day. When i finally realised this is the patriarchy in action, supported on the backs of well meaning women who have been socialised to be nice and kind to everyone (by the patriarchy) you can't unsee it. Why are the most vocal ones all white middle class males who are so keen to identify into victimhood? And why are so many people falling for it?

One of the biggest peaks was Jane Fae for example - are we supposed to believe this person is an oppressed minority? Really? A white middle class born and socialised male who has the utter gall to advocate for extreme porn to be legalised? Who wants younger girls to be allowed to do porn? (From 16 I believe) Fuck that.

It was Travis Ablanza for me trying to muscle his way into Topshop ladies changing rooms when he doesn't even identify as a trans woman as far as I'm aware. And he's made no modifications to himself he just likes to dress up in women's clothes.

Once you fall down the Rabbit Hole the Peaks come thick and fast however.

So, I peaked a while back, but the news that someone I know has just been sacked for being GC has pushed me over the edge to where I actually want to do something about it.

My question is this. I'm not a radical feminist, is there a place for me in this?

I'm not a radical feminist, is there a place for me in this?

You're a woman - you're affected by this.

You know a woman affected by this (she lost her job).

You're a citizen in a political system where disagreement is being characterised as hate speech, and meetings to discuss relevant issues are threatened: with everything that this implies about law, society and politics - you're affected by this.

In my opinion, I'd say that there's emphatically a place for anyone concerned about these things.

I'm not a radical feminist, is there a place for me in this?

Do you disagree with (any of) the Women's Place UK 5 Demands?

womansplaceuk.org/our-5-demands/

I don't know whether I'm a radical feminist, but I'm female, I have a female child, I work with vulnerable children, there is a place in this for me.

Dh doesn't consider himself a feminist but an egalitarian and a realist. Sport peak transed him. I have heard him presenting the GC perspective and attempting to peak trans people. There is a place for him in this.

Scratch all that. Do you care about material reality, honesty, safeguarding, equality of opportunity, people's rights to live a safe and fulfilling life? Then there is a place for you in this.

Thanks. I was worried that as a non-radical feminist (I don't fit in any of the feminist sub categories really!) getting actively involved wouldn't work. I totally agree with Women's Place's demands.

I'm in Liverpool and I'm pretty certain that someone I know is involved in the Liverpool Resisters, so I'll send her a message now!

I totally agree with Women's Place's demands
You're a closet radical feminist. It's OK.

Always thought the whole thing was horseshit but seeing the skeptic community go down the rabbit hole...

And of course the autism connection, with gender non-conforming girls and boys being sterilised by puberty blockers.

Didn’t think I’d see eugenics make a come-back and be celebrated by the liberal media.

Ah when I joined MN all those years ago as a sleep deprived new mum with PND in desperate need of breast feeding advice, I was subconsciously infiltrating the site with a view to spreading anti someone or other bigotry discussing feminism years later. Got it.

Were you part of a (non)sleeper cell?

I’ll get me coat.

I was in a gym changing room as a teenager when a man entered. He stood in front of me, took his penis out and started masturbating whilst sharing at me. I left upset and told the people at reception there was a man in the changing rooms and they kicked him out. I was much too shy and embarrassed to actually say what he was doing.
Recently I've been wondering what would happen if that happened now and the man was fast thinking enough to claim to be a trans woman. At best, my never returning to that gym. At worst...?

I don’t identify as a radical feminist (just a normal one), but I don’t think you need to be a radical anything to see the truth.

I’m late to this whole thing, having (like others) not really understood/realised what was going on.

So I guess this board peak transed me, I only used to read AIBU and Chat, now this is where I come first.

I just want to say that I have no issue with trans women using female toilets, or post op trans women in female changing rooms. I have no issue with calling someone whatever pronouns and name they wish to be called. But I do not think anyone with a penis should be in female changing rooms or female prisons.

Even if there were no safeguarding issues or threat to women’s sex based rights I doubt if I’d be able to hold my tongue. I just have a low tolerance of bullshit.

I mean, why should I care if someone thinks Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landings? I just do.

Agree with you, AspieandProud. I actually have come to think that it is dangerous to discard reality in favour of ideology. It's tempting and addictive, because it often makes people feel good, but it's frequently harmful, often to those outside the bubble. Look at the huge damage done by Freudianism. And it also makes people cynical about important causes that actually do have scientific and factual backing.

Ha! kesstrell, I'm totally with you on that. The last time I got this ranty about circular bullshit ideologies that everyone believes with an almost religious fervour(especially in universities and everywhere except actual psychology research departments) is Freudian psychoanalytic theory.

I'm with material reality and critical analysis. Beats ideology - however pleasant it seems at first glance - all the way.