I’ve hit peak trans!

[BleakBetty]

Thanks, ‘Dr’ Rachel McKinnon.

What made you hit peak trans, and why? Apologies if this has been done to death - new to this topic.

Do you think Rachel realised her agenda has spectacularly backfired and peak transing thousands? For the first time in my life I, a staunch labour voter, feel I have to rethink my political leanings and can no longer support a party that are choosing to collide in misogyny and support self ID.

Certain women with a pro-women agenda are spreading horrid pro-women views on here to try to persuade Mumsnetters that allowing any man who ids as a trans women access to sex segregated spaces is dangerous.

Yup, we're all stupid. It's our ladybrain. Oh wait, don't transwomen have ladybrains too? Scientifically proven, that is.

No they aren't, they are pointing out male violence doesn't vanish when people ID as the opposite sex and self-ID will be abused by those people.

If you longterm MN users could stop trying to infiltrate MN that would be much appreciated by those who joined MN a week ago to shout at you. Thanks!

If these cross- dressing rapists exist, the police need to get on to them.

Because the police are so good at catching and prosecuting rapists? Only 6% of rape cases (not rapes, rape cases) end in a conviction.

And I would have thought that dealing with it after women have been raped is a bit late, don’t you?

You’re stuck in a mindset that trans women are all severely dysphoric - that’s not even close to reality. You would be called “truscum” by TRAs for saying this. You’re now the transphobe. Do you get it yet? However much you support and capitulate, they ask for more. I used to say the same sort of things you’re saying.

The other day a TRA on Facebook said that trans women totally understand what it’s like to be cis women, because there are “very few issues pertaining directly to having a womb and ovaries”. Very few issues, aside from a long list of under-treated medical disorders, pregnancy, birth, motherhood and the entire basis of women’s oppression. How can you not see this for what it is?

I have zero concerns about legitimately dysphoric trans women. I have no issues about sharing spaces with them, but this hasn’t been about those people for a very long time. Have you looked at the Stonewall definition of trans now?

How come there is a thread started on a trans woman who retaliated violently... but not on male violence (that is not transgender) in the UK?

Male violence is a frequent topic on these boards. Funnily enough we also categorise violence comitted by transwomen as "male violence" seeing as they are male.

If we posted here about every occurrence of male violence against women we wouldn't have time to do anything else.

Also, if it's not too much trouble could the radicalization portal drop me off somewhere sunny? I was thinking maybe Bali, but am open to suggestions since it would be easier for the portal to send us all to the same location at once.

F4 if a man who genuinely identifies as a man says “I am a woman”, at what point in that sentence does the danger he poses to women decrease? Is it the word woman that does it? And by what mechanism?

F4 thinks that being a rape counsellor is a right that transwomen should have, irrespective of whether it causes rape victims further distress to be counselled by someone male.

Ah when I joined MN all those years ago as a sleep deprived new mum with PND in desperate need of breast feeding advice, I was subconsciously infiltrating the site with a view to spreading anti someone or other bigotry discussing feminism years later. Got it.

I mean, that's a bit terfy, isn't it? Asking for breastfeeding advice on a site with "mum" in the name? It's as if you were implying that dads can't breastfeed too...

Peak trans - seeing the argument from trans activists that transwomen are far superior candidates for Women's Officer roles in political parties, councils and student unions, because trans women have experience of being a woman and being a trans woman, while plain old women fall short. Shall we get our coats?

A majority of women on these boards are trying to infiltrate Mumsnet and spread a horrid anti-trans message.

What a bizarre comment. And completely false. No surprise there.

So you choose to make a silly false accusation instead of commenting re: the Stonewall trans umbrella (why don't you look it up and check for yourself?) and how it includes both and thus blurs the difference between transsexuals and cross-dressers. To which you have no answer, presumably. Does not compute.

It really just shows how far people have to go to try to make their beliefs make sense to themselves. Cognitive dissonance in action. It's quite astonishing to watch.

Peak trans - seeing the argument from trans activists that transwomen are far superior candidates for Women's Officer roles in political parties, councils and student unions, because trans women have experience of being a woman and being a trans woman

Well, both TS Elliot (Wasteland) and Genesis's song based on it refer to Tiresias as a man, despite Tiresias' 'crossing of the poles' because, obviously the superior status must pre-dominate and triumph.

musicaficionado.blog/2016/06/20/cinema-show-live-by-genesis/

AngryAttackKittens

I mean, that's a bit terfy, isn't it? Asking for breastfeeding advice on a site with "mum" in the name? It's as if you were implying that dads can't breastfeed too...

AAK, I fear we're both being terfy - we have uncritically used the word breastfeeding instead of the correct word which is of course chestfeeding

Deathgrip summed it up for me. I have zero concern about a genuine trans woman with gender dysphoria being in the public loo next to me. I just wouldn't think twice about it if I even realised that they are TW. What concerns me hugely is the TRA internet and RL terrorism campaign against anyone and everyone who cannot or refuses to see the emperors new clothes.

I welcome input from the likes of F4, as it's likely to peak trans a few more lurkers.

Allstars yes I agree. It’s more than someone with the belief and need to dress as a woman, and gender dysphoria, but what is happening through this movement to change our speak, body parts, and the big push back on who we are as natural born women, that gets to me too. There is a bigger picture at play and I wonder if anyone has figured it out yet ....

Yes, I think Feminist4 is doing a marvellous job of exposing the absolute misogyny of transactivist ideology.

Saying that it’s transphobic for a teenage girl not to want to have to shower next to an adolescent male who’s looking at her and wanking is a phenomenal own goal.

I wonder what sort of person you have to be not to realise that’s not going to be well received on what is at root a parenting site.

(Read that bit earlier and just scrolling back now, can’t find it - was it deleted?)

Yes, the tone of the foot stamping, histrionics from a lot of the TRA trolling feels like adolescents throwing their toys out. But the tantrums are not harmless they have a sinister threat of violence and complete refusal to engage in any form of adult discussion or debate. “Agree with everything we say or we will rape you and kill your babies” is hardly warming me up to their point of view.

*Saying that it’s transphobic for a teenage girl not to want to have to shower next to an adolescent male who’s looking at her and wanking is a phenomenal own goal.

I wonder what sort of person you have to be not to realise that’s not going to be well received on what is at root a parenting site.*

I saw they'd put that too. Gobsmacking.

That wouldn't be well-received by most people, parenting site or no.

Think F4 is telling porkies about being a "feminist" somehow.

I can’t actually remember now when I peaktrans but I know I hit that peak every day and almost every thread I go on.

One day on hit peak trans I ventured over to sparkles and ticker place to seek cover. It’s changed a lot but they still have remain woman’s place for breastfeeding, menopause etc

Mine was Ada Wells and the cuntscum thing. Thats when I started noticing the misogyny behind the movement. Once it was seen, it couldn't be unseen. I don't really like the term 'peak trans'. I prefer 'peak transactivist' as its not really about trans people, but the demands/behavior of TRAs.

Mine was the IOC stuff in 2015/16. I couldn't believe it was and then looked at the sporting policies, the trans inclusion guidance on the GEO website (written by Gendered Intelligence) and was full of confusion and rage. Every week, if not every day since then has been a new peak.

Agree that solidarity between heterosexual and lesbian women and a new grassroots feminist movement have been the silver linings of an utterly crap situation for women and girls.

I'm still raging.