What is ‘cis privilege’?

[MissSusanSays]

I’ve seen quite a few of the posters wo come on to make the pro-self id argument rage about ‘cis privilege’

Could one of them actually explain what it is? Because I struggle to see how women, who are oppressed by their sex and forced into gender norms, abused, paid less, over looked for promotions, given shoddy maternity care, suffer post natal depression in silence, suffer miscarriages, fight through the shame and difficulty on infertility, endometriosis, breast cancer, rape, sexual assault, menopause, hysterectomy, groping, belittling etc are privileged.

If someone who believes in ‘cis privilege’ can point out to me what privileged women have then I’d really, really like to know.

Or is it just another way to shame women into not talking about the tragic and terrifying things that happen to them because of the way their bodies function?

Stop the planet I want to get off...

Are we really now saying that a "cis-privalage" is being able to have a shag on a Friday night if we want one.

Is that really where we are? Trans women are disadvantaged and it's a privilege to have a shag.

Look I'm going to be blunt. There are plenty of people in this world that struggle to get their leg over, from those with physical disabilities, those who have been mutilated by FGM and the down right fugly pedestrians of the planet. But at no bloody point is it ever a lack of privilege.

Nobody has the right to sex/ sexual partners/ romance and debauchery. 🤦

Or trans people could be centred when considering lesbian

Let's imagine a small town of 1000 single adults (500 male and 500 female)

Age range?

Presumably those that are heterosexual and get together will have a 50/50 chance of staying together for 5 years, as 10 years is now considered a long partnership.

Ergo, your crap analogy doesn't work from the oft Jezebelz

There's also the fact that even highly privileged rich, pretty people frequently have shit love lives.

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...when considering lesbians or bisexuals

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Is that real?????

Okay, I'm actually going to do some research on this as a single divorced woman in my 50s.

I do know already that my partners if I say heterosexual is already limited, though I have a friend who is on dating sites and she keeps getting messages from 'cross dressers', whom she now ignores. She is in her 40s and a divorced woman.

I do wonder what the response would be if I put down bi sexual.

I'm sitting here smh because this has been so very revealing - a discussion about male bodied people telling women their suffering makes them privileged has actually dissolved into a weird entitled whine about why certain men can't get access to sex.

Good grief.

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a weird entitled whine about why certain men can't get access to sex.

According to Blanchard, that is at the root of transgenderism. Including HSTS.

All I know is I'm glad I wasn't born transgender and I don't have to deal with all the shit that comes with it.

Maybe I am confusing luck with privilege.

Jezebelz, if you are in good faith, I'd say, well done for coming to the conclusion we've all been trying to explain to you.

Maybe I am confusing luck with privilege.

Maybe, because that is on an individual basis, too.

And maybe you haven't been exposed to many people telling you you are privileged for having an abortion, for instance.

Or seeing people who talk about cis privilege telling a women that a miscarriage it's exactly like evacuating any other kind of waste, so didn't require privacy.

When men who claim they are women and want access to women's spaces start talking about the privilege of those women in those spaces, it should be a red light.

None of this means that feminists don't understand that gender dysphoria is a real and unpleasant condition.

It's also incredibly rare.

All I know is I'm glad I wasn't born transgender and I don't have to deal with all the shit that comes with it.

There are millions - millions upon millions of women whose lives are more shit than your average transwoman could ever imagine. FGM, rape, continuing sexual abuse, slavery, you fucking name it, women get it in bucketsful.

So DFOD with your 'it's really hard for these poor trans people because they can't get a shag', will you?

Jezabel. If you argue with them you just get abuse. They are ranting transphobes who can't be argued with. They don't like it.

Jezabel. If you argue with them you just get abuse. They are ranting transphobes who can't be argued with. They don't like it.

Jezabel. Just play the victim. It's easier than having an argument. We don't like being exposed to critical thought.

If you make a decision that will limit your dating pool, don't complain when your dating pool is limited.

My decision to shag only non-sexist men severely limited my dating pool. Jus' sayin'.

All I know is I'm glad I wasn't born transgender and I don't have to deal with all the shit that comes with it.

When I think of all the crap trans people in Africa have to face, its shocking. The scale of it is incalculable. At least they have gender neutral toilets there though.

They are ranting transphobes who can't be argued with.

On the contrary, we're still waiting for someone to actually make a proper "argument" on this topic.

FWIW I have miscarried and if anyone starting spouting to me about cis privilege at that time then no I would not be happy.

So yes it depends on context and no it should never be used to dismiss or belittle the female experience. I haven't seen it used in this way, but I can't imagine a single trans person I know, or any decent person, thinking this would be acceptable.

I have only known the term cis privilege be used in relation to being accepted by society while trans people are not.

I have only known the term cis privilege be used in relation to being accepted by society while trans people are not.

Some of us, however, have seen it used about: the 'ability' to menstruate, experience severe period pains, bear children, have abortions, the possession of breasts, a uterus, ovaries, a cervix, a vagina...

That's why we're a tad snippy about it.

It's the dissonance of the complaint that being trans limits the dating pool so severely that it constitutes actual oppression by the people who won't sleep with the trans person, and yet pushes mad surgeries and experimental medical treatments on children who will then never achieve any meaningful sexual or mental maturity.

It is confusing on one basic level, but utterly heinously evil the more one considers it.

It's the dissonance of the complaint that being trans limits the dating pool so severely that it constitutes actual oppression by the people who won't sleep with the trans person, and yet pushes mad surgeries and experimental medical treatments on children who will then never achieve any meaningful sexual or mental maturity.

It's immensely sinister and it looks worse and worse the more we see of it. So many leading lights of the transactivist movement have been revealed as fetishists or really extreme misogynists that I can't help but have an increasingly high index of suspicion.

We've got furries, flashers, adult babies, advocates of extreme violent porn, age play, people who hold political positions telling strangers to "suck my big lady cock" or "suck my pickled formaldehyde balls".

And then there's the political agent who raped and tortured a 10 year old girl while dressed and identifying as a 6 year old called Lucy... The unspeakable Stephonknee Wolsht was a named leading light of her local trans rights group, FFS. Stephonknee identifies and dresses as a 6 year old girl. Her new kink family let her play with their grandchildren.

There is at least one British activist with links to PIE. I'm old enough to remember the Paedophile Information Exchange. A lot of left wing politicians got fooled by that shit show first time around and looks like there's a bit of this tangled up in the most disturbing hinterlands of this movement. Already we're seeing arguments about the age of consent and whether consent is always strictly necessary.

I remember someone on Reddit who claimed to be a transwoman was inviting kids who lived near her over so she could give them hormone shots. Nothing could possibly go wrong, could it? But that's exactly where telling kids to ditch their restricting parents and find a new "glitter family" is certain to lead for some of them. It's totally predictable sadly.

Yes, we know there are plenty of lovely trans people but an extremely high proportion of the most prominent and vocal are very creepy indeed.

Rubbish

Rubbish

That's your "argument", is it? Do explain how the factual cases listed by Prawn are, in fact, "rubbish".