What is ‘cis privilege’?

[MissSusanSays]

I’ve seen quite a few of the posters wo come on to make the pro-self id argument rage about ‘cis privilege’

Could one of them actually explain what it is? Because I struggle to see how women, who are oppressed by their sex and forced into gender norms, abused, paid less, over looked for promotions, given shoddy maternity care, suffer post natal depression in silence, suffer miscarriages, fight through the shame and difficulty on infertility, endometriosis, breast cancer, rape, sexual assault, menopause, hysterectomy, groping, belittling etc are privileged.

If someone who believes in ‘cis privilege’ can point out to me what privileged women have then I’d really, really like to know.

Or is it just another way to shame women into not talking about the tragic and terrifying things that happen to them because of the way their bodies function?

deepwatersolo

😂 Amazing. I bet if women started accusing gay men of being misogynists for not wanting to sleep with then there would be an instant backlash.

Lesbians, on the other hand, just get ignored.

I'm a cis woman and I know trans women have a harder time. I know because I've spent time with them and know them. It's clear that most of you don't as you would have this narrow minded point of view.

But surely a female with gender dysphoria suffers for being a woman and for having dysphoria?

They suffer from being a man in a female body.

Scott, what's your point there?

They suffer from being a man in a female body.

This is not actually possible - you know that, I know it, everyone knows it so they may very well suffer but they don't suffer from that.

Floral, my point is that surely the person who suffers from gender dysphoria and and difficulties of being a woman has a double whammy of problems.

Terry leather, I do not know that and nor do you.

Scott, that may well be so, yes. Trans identifying women have a raft of difficult things to deal with.

I see what you're getting at. From my post upthread Scott, I'd suggest that a female with dysphoria is disadvantaged by non-conformity, sex and MH.

Yes, I'd agree with that.

Individuals who don't have gender dysphoria do have an easier life than those trans people who experience dysphoria and everything that comes with it. I'll accept that. I will not call it cis privilege.

What's not on is TRAs deciding that the crap biological women go through by virtue of being born biologically female, socialised in a society where women get the worse deal, women are affected by the features if their biological sex etc is some sort of exclusive club of "privilege" that they're craving to be a part of.
Only someone born male and socialised male would have the arrogance to mansplain the female experience.

MNHQ please can we have a pissing oneself laughing emoji - I'm in dire need of one!

Does someone with gender dysphoria have a worse experience than someone with another type of body dysphoria/dysmorphia? Or schizophrenia? Or asd? (I'm not just including illnesses here, 'specially for those who argue a mh condition is not the same as a mental illness...)

I'm not a huge fan of the whole privilege concept anyway. It may be applicable in some broad sense but it leaves out too many individual factors.

The vast majority of trans people want to get on with their lives. You are overblown the frustration of TRAs as a way of proving your points.

Cis privilege exists about as much as black privilege, or working class privilege, or gay privilege ie not at all.

People are nuts if they think every woman in the world who is not trans is a. frolicking with delight daily at how well their sex fits with their social gender expectations and b.that women as a class have any institutional power over males.

That's why they should understand just awful it is to be a victimised trans person instead of fighting against them

That's why they should understand just awful it is to be a victimised trans person instead of fighting against them.

We're fighting for women's rights, not against trans people. As for victimisation, there are no grounds to think that men who identify as women are more likely to be victimised than women.

TW are more likely to be murderers than victims, whereas 2 women a week are killed by current or ex partners. With all the claims of transphobia it's hard to find examples of actual violent attacks in the UK.

I will accept that by not having dysphoria, I have an advantage over those who do.
But:
How can being a biological woman put me in the oppressor class (as implied by my “cis” privilege), when that biology is the very basis for my own oppression?

I can think 'how awful it is to be a male person with sex dysphoria', without believing them to be females who suffer from oppression at my hands.

I have sinusitis too, I think we should begin a campaign to have healthy-sinus-privilege recognised...

It's all just a blindingly obvious attempt by males to overthrow all the gains made by feminists over the past 100 years.

Why do you think Transgender ideology is backed 100% by all political parties, all the major corporations, and broadcasting companies, all major institutions, charities and organisations including those supposedly "feminist" such as the Fawcett society? If gender ideology didn't hold up existing patriarchal power structures it would not have made any headway, gained any support or had this much influence.

If trans were opressed by cis people they simply would not be being championed by every major influential and powerful organisation you can find.

Stonewall receives millions each year, and the majority of their funding is spent on trans issues including promoting gender ideology.
Women are being arrested by the police and taken to court, including private prosecutions, for challenging gender ideology. If trans were so opressed they would not have all the backing of the police. If women were the opressors they would be the ones calling to have trans people in prisons for 'wrong think' and targeting trans people for prosecution.

Cross dressing (autogynephilia) is the single most common paraphilia in sex offenders and 48% of transwomen in prison are inside for sex offences (against women and children).

We are being forced to believe that cross dressers are transwomen and transwomen are women. No one can seriously think that male cross dressing sex offenders are being opressed by women, the very women they have abused and comitted crimes against. No one.
If anyone does they are a liar or an idiot but either way they are extremely dangerous.

Gncq. Are you for real? My trans daughter is part of some corporate conspiracy? Really?
This is the same kind of stigmatidm gay people differed 40 years ago.