M&S launches porn star martini in a can

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Keeping it classy, M&S.

Anyone use the M&S live chat successfully? I've waited to live chat and before anyone answered they ended the chat saying it's not available.
www.marksandspencer.com/MSContactUsCmd?storeId=10151&langId=-24&catalogId=10051&categoryId=282501&byEmail=8

Choice in this situation is making a decision to work in porn or not.

please don't tell me non trafficked woman can choose not to work in porn ( clue: many non trafficked woman DON'T work in porn)

Why do you not want to believe this is (usually) a freely made choice, is it so you can blame the men more?

It's still possible to blame men as consumers of porn whilst recognise female actresses choice to enter this line of work.

It's still possible to blame men as consumers of porn whilst recognise female actresses choice to enter this line of work

Oh I do recognise there may be willing participants. What you fail to understand is these willing participants are colluding in the objectification of women.

FFS so many people denying any woman who works in porn has agency, or can make a different choice

Has anyone said that? I haven't. The point, which clearly has sailed over your head, is porn damages society as a whole. It presents a brutlised version of sexual relationships which then seep into the way young men and women think is normal.


I don't disagree with that lass I was responding to the PP who posted a clip of a porn actress who'd been in a violent scene as justification of why porn and porn star martini were bad.

LassWiADelicateAir your last two posts, spot on.

Glitched

"If that's what they want to do. Fine by me." This kind of makes me think either you don't have kids, or you do and you know its highly unlikely they will end up working in the porn 'industry'.

"It's not illegal and I'm not morally against it. People should be free to choose what they want to do."

But some things will potentially decrease other people's choices.

I totally get it is a drink, blah, blah, blah, and probably a very tasty one. But by naming it after an industry that harms people, it is attempting to make it even more mainstream.

I think porn does a lot of harm to people who are not in the industry and maybe do not even watch it themselves. The long arm of porn....

fightthenewdrug.org/sex-before-kissing-15-year-old-girls-dealing-with-boys/

You don't put your head in the lions mouth then be surprised when it bites.

Don't wanna do a violent porn scene? Don't enter the industry

So you simultaneously believe that the porn industry is inherently very dangerous for women (strongly agree) to the extent that a woman choosing to enter the industry deserves everything she gets (strongly disagree) AND that the porn industry isn't bad???

You might not know you are facing a lion's mouth! You might not know it will be a violent scene. You might think the lion is your boyfriend and it's all just a bit of fun!

Of course they won't generally rape women because of their choice of drink! Butsomemen do rapesomewomen, maybe partly because they seen a lot of porn where womem are treated as objects. Which contributes to s culture that sees women as objects

I do agree here Italian but I think that there are other solutions to that issue than banning the use of the word porn star in a drink.

In some ways, porn is a little bit like drugs. They have always been around yet they're very divisive. Some people are OK with them, some are not. Porn has always been around. Prostitution has been around for millennia. Drugs have been around for an exceptionally long time. They have endured. Whilst I'm not saying that should necessarily be accepted, what I am saying is because these things have clearly not died a death and because they still pervade our society in one form or another, the best way forward is education.

Education our sons and daughters about this. Educate them about the unrealistic nature of porn. Educate them about the dangers of porn and drugs. Educate them about the harm it does worldwide, the harm it does to people on a personal level. Educate them that porn is not the way to treat people in a sexual relationship. Educate them how to be safe. To be aware and conscious of the facts.

That is the way forward, imo.

"I do agree here Italian but I think that there are other solutions to that issue than banning the use of the word porn star in a drink."

Thank you. I didn't say to ban the name. I said using the name normalizes porn. 'Friends' the TV series did that a lot too! I watched it and it went over my head a lot. 'The Big Bang Theory' had adult women dressing up as school girls for their partners! I just think this 'stuff' is so normalized and it is wrong to do so. But don't resent anyone having a drink!

"Porn has always been around." Define 'porn' and define 'around'. If you mean erotic images on cave walls or erotic art, or even still photos of naked ladies, I don't think it is the same.

"Prostitution has been around for millennia." Indeed it has but I think now we see the people, often women, often young, 'caught up in it' more as victims than hussies who want to break up families or whatever.

"...the best way forward is education." I do agree with that. But I also agree with legal restrictions so young people cannot easily access porn.

Yes I have children. And one of them choosing to be some kind of porn is as likely as any number of things an adult can choose to do. When they are adults they can do what they want.

I have never been in 'the industry' but i have shared pics, gifs and vids online. I've only had a positive experience.

Not all porn is industrial and not all porn is the same.

I think they also sell virgin olive oil.

Glitched I'm glad you've only ever had a positive experience, but I doubt that is true for most people affected by porn.

@Italian

I agree. People's experiences vary. I don't want anyone to be harmed. I think more regulation and control is the solution, not total vilification and bans.

Yeah, can't get worked up about this. It's just a cocktail. Not dissimilar from all the Playboy branded stuff.

Not dissimilar from all the Playboy branded stuff.

Which is also pretty problematic...

Magicmix your conclusions have very little to do with what I wrote but I'll give you an A* for creative writing there.

Glitched do you agree that exposing children to porn culture in everyday situations is inappropriate?

I think more regulation and control is the solution, not total vilification and bans

Same.

CraicMammys points re the Portman Group rules are interesting... apart from complaining to them, sounds like that could be worth citing in a complaint to M&S? It may explain why (as far I could see in a quickish google) premixed cocktails tend not to include the 'sexy' names found on bar menus?

Craic has hit on something important. Ie that the industry's own rules prohibit this sort of thing (for good reason)

I'm not in the UK so I can't complain to them, but it would be good if someone else did. I might include the Portman stuff when I write to complain to M&S though (one might have thought they would know this stuf for themselves...)

I keep hearing a song called 'Male Stripper' on the radio lately. Not heard any complaints about that oddly.

Errolthedragon and olennaswimple thank you!

On the basis “deeds not words” I’ll see if they’re stocking the cans in my local M&S, I have helped frame a complaint that the Portman Group upheld so can step up if I’m able. From experience, best directing the complaint to them than the producer who will just go 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏼‍♂️

CraicMammy - Great! I just wish we all lived nearby so we could use the contents of the tins for that blind taste test first...

I keep hearing a song called 'Male Stripper' on the radio lately. Not heard any complaints about that oddly.

Maybe not on Radio 4 the stations favoured by FWR/M&S shoppers?

I meant to say I’ve help frame a complaint to the PG in the past which was upheld successfully.