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Lily M standing as women's officer again

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ScarletBegonias · 23/10/2018 11:17

Gather LM is saying that they had to give up the previous post because they left the area (to go to Goldsmiths) but they're now standing for the women's officer post in Lewisham Deptford CLP. Voting is on Sunday, apparently.

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R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 12:34

Yes, I think it needs to be shared far & wide!

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 12:35

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
1922 Chairman Sir Graham Brady has told friends "he has no plans to go to No10 today" and is going about his normal business. Stand down folks (for now at least).

UpstartCrow · 23/10/2018 12:35

I forgot to add /s to my comment Blush

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 12:36

How much work is the word 'today' doing?

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2018 12:36

Oops wrong thread

PencilsInSpace · 23/10/2018 12:40

Text saved from a deleted twitter thread, 14 March 2018:

Statement from Working class community workers from Deptford. We are attending the women’s meeting at the House of Commons today. We would like to offer an explanation as to why this is necessary. See below

After many years of working at grass roots within our community we have recently been made aware of an issue that directly effects the working class and women in our area.

You must understand we are not graduate activists or or women’s rights campaigners. We are community workers and our concerns regarding changes to the GRA come from a lifetime of personal experience and having worked with some of the most marginalise people in our area.

The majority of our recent projects have been working with rough sleepers, the homeless and those that have been excluded from society. The issues they face include: unsupported/ mental health illness, sexual violence and prostitution, childhood trauma and abuse...

domestic violence, poverty, ex care system issues, addiction, prison,rehab,homelessness and austerity.

The people in our community that we represent are the most likely to access/ be placed in sex segregated services.Some have and will access all of these services.

Our local political and community organisations have been infiltrated by a group of well meaning white middle class goldsmith (uni) students. These people although well intentioned have rail roaded many vital projects by introducing identity policies and intersectional thinking. They do this without truly understanding or experiencing working class issues.

Meetings we have attended for the purpose of discussing community housing projects and women’s wellness etc have been used as a platform to re educate working class people on the new academic language expected within our organisations.

As anyone from a working class back ground will tell you, these theories and ideologies rarely translate into working class communities.

The extremely small number of transsexual (I use the old term as this has a very different meaning to the university umbrella term currently thrown about) members of the community are and have always been excepted and protected by community organisations.

We are now informed that transgender people are being routinely abused (mis gendered) and should be protected above all other marginalised groups. All that has changed is privileged students have adopted a set of gender identities that allow them to be considered marginalised.

The people we encountered were far from marginalised. In fact they were highly educated, openly classist and aggressive.

This new politics doesn’t equate in our community or for the people we support. We are dealing with working class issues with severely marginalised people and the trans lobby is a gentrification of working class social and political movements. Note the difference between trans lobby and trans people who we support.

No one will discuss our concerns regarding self id. Our local Labour Party has refused to comment or debate with the working class people.

We are attending the meeting this evening as this is only place that is willing to discuss theses issues.

When we are being verbally abused and called fascists because we are concerned about the effects of policy change on marginalised people it is a direct attack on working class women and grass roots organisations.

when sharing information about this event and attempt to shut it down be aware that you are complicit in the silencing of not only women but working class people who have not afforded the privileged of a safe space or university education. Thank you x

Meghan Murphy interviews the author here. Also includes further background on Madigan and on Jennifer James' all women shortlists campaign.

HilltopTractor · 23/10/2018 12:44

If you hated women, the poor and left-wing politics...

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 23/10/2018 12:44

From gov.uk The number of sexual assaults reported in prison saw a notable increase between 2012 and 2014, from 113 incidents in 2012, to 170 incidents in 2013, and 228 in 2014.

In their tweet lily claimes it's now 80,000.

The prison service has a massive problem to deal with, or lily is making up stats to minimise the sexual attacks on women by a transwoman while housed in a female prison.

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 12:47

see also Jeni Harvey's experience at Goldsmith's bookfair:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3269765-Radical-Feminism-Banned-From-Radical-Bookfair

described in her WPUK speech:

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 12:48

In their tweet lily claimes it's now 80,000.

I think Lily acknowledged that the statistics were from the USA.

Oldstyle · 23/10/2018 13:02

That message from working class women makes me want to weep Pencils. Moderately worded but so revealing. The local LP (in a middle-class area) has similarly been taken over by one-issue activists. I have many friends who are feminists, socialists and LP members. They are at a complete loss. They have tried to fight from within but the hostility shown to anyone who speaks out of turn has silenced and sidelined most of them (and they are certainly not shrinking violets). It's hard to know how to respond, other than running for the hills.

NotANotMan · 23/10/2018 14:17

Lily displayed Lily's lack of intellectual rigour by quoting the figures for the US prison population presumably gleaned from a cursory google search without any critical faculties being engaged.

DeRigueurMortis · 23/10/2018 14:31

Ponders how it's remotely "far left" to nominate a candidate for post who:

  • doesn't live in the constituency;
  • has a poor track record in their previous post;
  • has no legitimate experience for the role;
  • has repeatedly made statements that are false and thus has no credibility for stating the truth;
  • has repeatedly made inflammatory remarks on social media against the demographic they are purporting to represent;
  • Is supposedly in full time education at Goldsmiths.

Again I ponder how different that is to shoehorning in the Child of a Tory MP into a post to give them political experience and a platform?

The point being it's who you are that gave you the opportunity, not your own merits and hard work....

Infamy and credibility are rarely good bedfellows.

DeRigueurMortis · 23/10/2018 14:34

Lily displayed Lily's lack of intellectual rigour by quoting the figures for the US prison population presumably gleaned from a cursory google search without any critical faculties being engaged.

Seems to be a common trait. Look at Ash Sarker on twitter claiming (I'm the basis of a "negative" twitter search) that Julie Bindel (founder of juice cut women) didn't care about women prisoners Hmm

But hey - don't let the truth get in the way of a good tweet...

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 23/10/2018 14:45

From pencils post. This new politics doesn’t equate in our community or for the people we support.

I hope the labour party, or any other party that cares about working class women, take note of this.

Didactylos · 23/10/2018 14:47

I would really love to see a list of achivements that LM has made in their last role as Womens officer

Not the travelling and media puff pieces, or the exciting public engagement roles, being a bit of a tepid, rabbit in the headlights speaker, or being completely logically incoherent on the radio with Julia Hartley Brewer.

But the actual achievements in terms of the role of Womens officer, eg work engaging with local women and womens groups in the constituency and making sure women are fully involved in the local party and that their concerns help inform policy

Possibly added to that we could have number of former labour voters citing LM as a reason they have resigned from or will not vote for the party, number of abusive tweet incidents and gaffes removed from twitter, plus number of short lived twitter flounces. It might also be useful to have a tally of money, gifts and cute clothes declared.

Im sure all this information would assist the local CLP in Lewisham/Deptford to decide whether they want the stunning and brave international trans spokesperson with no local or grassroots connections parachuted in to become the person charged with promoting female engagement in the party.

CAAKE · 23/10/2018 14:56

My favourite comment. Bet she's a MNer 🙌

Lily M standing as women's officer again
PyeWackets · 23/10/2018 16:46

I see they have deleted all the facebook comments, apart from the misogynistic ones.

ScarletBegonias · 23/10/2018 16:59

I see somebody in the FB thread saying that she'd checked the names of the people who'd been unenthusiastic about LM with "Compliance" and none were Labour Party members.

I don't think I like the sound of "Compliance" very much.

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qumquat · 23/10/2018 17:06

Yes just went onto FB and saw no gender critical comments at all. Just a lot screaming TERF. I live in the constituency and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lily is elected. The Glasshouse 'No Terfs' sign was very popular in a local FB group. I'm thinking of moving...

qumquat · 23/10/2018 17:06

The Greenhouse sorry

LangCleg · 23/10/2018 17:08

I don't think I like the sound of "Compliance" very much.

It's a denunciation party these days, isn't it?

Are you now, or have you ever been...

Bejazzled · 23/10/2018 17:11

Oh dear. If even Labour members in a Labour area in London are struggling at a local level won't support at first attempt, that says a fair amount. Lily has profile others don't

And also, maybe the Labour members who are women want a woman to represent their rights.

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 23/10/2018 17:17

I seem to have missed most of the GC comments.

To be fair, Lily is attending Goldsmith's now and probably therefore does live in the Lewisham Deptford constituency. Goldsmith's has several halls of residence dotted through New Cross and Brockley. Also, it isn't that unusual for students to get involved in local politics. Lily is, I think, doing a Politics degree.

Momentum, though. Even if Labour had a sensible attitude to gender politics and Brexit, even if Labour didn't have an antisemitism problem, even if Labour had a leader who was clever and principled, I couldn't vote for them while they're in thrall to Momentum. Far too reminiscent of Militant Tendency from the 80s.

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