Lily M standing as women's officer again

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Gather LM is saying that they had to give up the previous post because they left the area (to go to Goldsmiths) but they're now standing for the women's officer post in Lewisham Deptford CLP. Voting is on Sunday, apparently.

If Labour wants to get rid of women's officer posts and women only shortlists, it should have that conversation openly and honestly, and explain why it's so different now compared to when these posts were created. Not abolish them by the back door

To be honest I think Lily Madigan looks quite unwell, and I would hope for their own wellbeing that someone encourages them to take some time out of the public eye.

In what way? Serious question? In what way do they look unwell? Because I honestly can't see that. They look like a typical early twenties young person who probably has a lot of late nights in the pub and isn't eating or living as healthily as they should.

Anne Ruzlyo is fantastic.

Anne Ruzylo's speech from November 2017 when she describes how LM and others targetted her.

Anne Ruzylo also speaks about her concerns (based on professional experience) for vulnerable female prisoners.

In light of the male Karen White's sexual assault of four women in the female estate this year,. it is a tragedy that while LM was feted, Anne Ruzylo was so bady treated by Labour.

Anne Ruzlyo is fantastic.

She really is. Warm, articulate and erudite.

I had a degree, a post grad a job and a mortgage at that age - I had also moved county (on my own) by 21. Still a child, my arse.

I was in the army, living in Germany and going through my first divorce at 21 

I was in the army, living in Germany and going through my first divorce at 21

My dad had worked down the pit from 15-19, then done two years of national service and another year back down the pit by the age of 21.

Gah! From 15-18 !

Quite why LM is such the darling of the trans movement and Momentum is beyond me. LM seems to be both offensive, aggressive and vulnerable all at the same time. Extreme narcissistic personality disorder would be my guess. No self-awareness at all.

LM doesn't seem remotely suited to politics - you need a pretty thick skin and a good public profile to genuinely survive in politics. Calling women in your own party "transphobes" and telling them to go fuck themselves is unlikely to lead to a career in parliament.

I agree LM looks ill. I veer between pity and anger tbh - LM is not much older than my own oldest child, and I just cannot imagine, in my wildest dreams, my eldest behaving like this.

Anne Ruzylo (and Gill) are exactly the sort of calibre of women needed in the Labour Party - and that the former was chased out of the Labour Party by LM & cronies is a travesty. Very pleased to hear Gill succeeded though.

Useful to someone I suppose. Easy to manipulate and a right brass neck - but lacking the critical thinking or intelligence needed for politics.

It's the changing stories that intrigue me the most - almost as if there's only a passing relationship with reality, facts and truth...

Very Donald Trump. It only works for a time when people stop being polite and saying 'yes dear...'

In the words of the Psychiatrist, about Basil Fawlty: There's enough material there for an entire conference.

It's the changing stories that intrigue me the most - almost as if there's only a passing relationship with reality, facts and truth...

Reminds me of the Joker in The Dark Knight constantly changing his backstory and how he’d come by his scars.

The point is not to tell the truth. Merely to win the current argument by any means. Its very common in online communities to see people do this ime.

If you frame much of current politics into not telling the truth, but just winning the argument it makes a lot more sense.

The truth is not seen as important; indeed its an inconvience. It throws up problems that need to be dealt with afterall.

This desire to 'win' is an incredibly dangerous dynamic. How far will people go?

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RedToothBrush . Yes. Scary, very scary.

This desire to 'win' is an incredibly dangerous dynamic. How far will people go?

I recall Stephen Whittle saying words to the effect of everything being about ensuring certainty of winning, in the thread about 'where are all the transmen?'- it chilled me to the fucking bone. It's not about right or wrong or truth or lies - it's about winning whatever the cost.

Whittle has certainly been 'thought leader' in all this.

It's not about right or wrong or truth or lies - it's about winning whatever the cost.

This.

The technical term for what Whittke is doing is ‘bullshit’. There’s even an academic paper on it:

On Bullshit (2005), by philosopher Harry G. Frankfurt, is an essay that presents a theory of bullshit that defines the concept and analyzes the applications of bullshit in the context of communication. Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care if what they say is true or false, but rather only cares whether their listener is persuaded.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit

There is a nice little gift book version of that essay. I bought it for my husband a couple of years ago.

Considering Whittle is a law professor, Whittle makes very few comments on the legal situation, current or proposed.

Instead, Whittle specialises in emotive anecdotes.

I presume this is due to Whittle not wanting to make Whittle’s actual opinion public knowledge, rather than Whittle not holding an opinion.

Aspire do you know that PPE at Oxford is simply the study and art of Bullshit. I'm not even joking. That's literally what it teaches.

It explains an awful lot about our ruling class.

Has anyone else seen this?

So many interesting and accomplished women who could have been chosen to be part of Girls Who Code's 'Sisterhood' project in place of Madigan.