TG day of remembrance

[WomanAndProud]

When did 20 November become the transgender Day Of Remembrance?

Is there an International Women's Day of Remembrance? We bloody well need to get onto it given the numbers of us who are actually killed every single day. And given that the majority of women who are murdered are killed by men, that's anti-women (adult human female, to be clear - and that's not exclusionary, trans women don't want to be included anyway, they've made their own day they can't now complain about not being in ours).

And I do hope that they'll be remembering the trans people killed by other trans people. Because there are a fair few of them too.

Do you know how ridiculous it makes you look to moan that people shouldn’t have a day or rememberance because these people don’t... use your own initiative and make one then if you care so much, don’t blame trans people for caring and taking action themselves.

1 murder is too many, no matter who the victim.

To accuse trans people of using a rememberance day as a way of getting access to bloody toilets is a very low blow. Not everything is about you, there are real people behind the title.

Did anyone start their own thread on white ribbon day? I would but I know it will get jumped on and turned into a trans thread. Funny how the only day set up against violance to woman, was done so by men

It's about the ability of some women to recognise that this is part of the strategy to frame the transgender community as exceptional victims worthy of especial sympathy, which includes the (false) suicide statistics and constant referencing of suicide risk, and is about the general public being sufficiently convinced of the extreme vulnerability and pathos of this group not to resist the changes in law to surrender women and children's rights

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Do you know how ridiculous it makes you look to moan that people shouldn’t have a day or rememberance because these people don’t... use your own initiative and make one then if you care so much, don’t blame trans people for caring and taking action themselves

Completely agree, why wouldn't you set up your own day? There should be other days too and there's no reason for there not to be or why people shouldn't campaign for their own day too. Can't blame trans for setting up their own day, they have every right to.

1 murder is too many, no matter who the victim
Definitely. Doesn't matter if it is only a few victims like implied upthread, even just a few is a few too much.

Honestly, at this point, so fed up with all this I'm no longer bothered what names you want to call me or what shaming you try. Water off a duck's back.

And yes, you're right. There are real people involved, real women, real children, real risks. Not buying into it.

From earlier in the thread I'll use the example of Munroe Bergdorf's tweet (source here) earlier this year. It stated that statistically they would only live for another 4 years, because the life expectancy for transwomen of colour is 35 years. The implication being that TW of colour are killed at such a rate that their overall life expectancy is sharply reduced as a result and that violence against transpeople needed to be addressed as a priority.

The missing nuance here was the fact that the statistic was taken from a survey of Brazilian TW sex workers. Therefore Munroe - as a middle-class British transwoman with a media profile and platform - was highly unlikely to be within the same risk category as a Brazilian transwoman engaged in sex work as a way of keeping food on the table

To take that problem and use it to make out that trans people are specific murder targets all over the world is totally disingenous, and also quite insulting to the victims of these murders

And yes, you're right. There are real people involved, real women, real children, real risks. Not buying into it

Not buying into what? That there are real people involved, real women, real children, real risks?

*here not her

Haha @verbeena I think we’re being called TRA’s again, de ja vu.

So I believe that we shouldn’t be making light of a day that a minority group of people have set up to remember those like them that have been murdered, that makes me a TRA? Am I also a man? A handmaiden? Am I allowed to call you a bigot? Or is the name calling only allowed one way?

@EarlyWalker it's ridiculous,isn't' it? The name calling, the accusations, if you dare to think differently.
Definite de ja vu. There's no need for it.And I'm not saying that because I'm saying wimmin be nice before someone starts, I'd be saying that to absolutely anyone male or female doing the same!

So this trans shock thing. Any actual victims or is it purely a theoretical concept you're throwing out to show yet again how victimised trans people are? Going to bed with someone without disclosing your trans status first would be an abusive thing to do, no excuse for violence but ugh, who'd even do that?

People saying you're just remembering trans people who've died, that's fine. Not the same as talking about people being murdered "just for being like them" or whatever the phrasing was (sry can't easily look back on phone), that's the bit that feels deceptive and scaremongering and is how I keep hearing this event being represented.

Any actual victims or is it purely a theoretical concept you're throwing out to show yet again how victimised trans people are?

Jaysus. Do you hear how that sounds? Even on this thread people have admitted that it does happen but not in the UK etc and basically saying so why do we need one as it doesn't happen in the UK and there's only a few victims anyway.
So it seems it does happen.Whichever country it is in. So they're entitled to remember those who are victims.

Ver n Earl You know I give zero fucks right? just like the zero fucks I give if you call me bigot, transphobic and any other name.

Zero.... nil.... none whatsoever gives a fuck from me

IKeepFlouncing - I haven't called you any name. Unlike what you do to me. I'm not a TRA. Just someone who has a different view to you.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people

Yes it does happen, there are many links backing this up. This one seemed to put a lot of them in one place. Pull your heads out of the sand. People are dead and this pure disrespect because you don’t believe they are woman or whatever is astonishing.

Not to mention those that have committed suicide.

Way too far.

hi mumsnet I am sure some of you feel thst you have valid reasons for thinking that we don't need a day of remembrance. do you even know what we do on that day or have even bothered to find out. we usually read all the names and the reason they are on the list, or we light a candle and personally I think about the people I have known that are no longer with us. not through violance but through them not being able to continue to be who they are because the cost was too high for them. If you have ever. lost someone like that then maybe you too would like a day where you remembered them and all the other People like them that were not as lucky as you are to have been born in a more tolerant country or had people around them that helped in the times it got dark and beleive me it can get very dark. I don't care what your replys are to this but if the trans community Truely came on. here and you listened to there individual reasons for why we remember this day then you might think maybe this is the one thing we let them have it does not harm you in any way and brings a lot of comfort to many people.

@Bespin

bespin please don’t let a group of intolerant people get you down. In the real world, people have empathy and care greatly about any life lost.

I’m sorry to hear about your friend, a good friend of mine nearly went the same way but thankfully he pulled through in the end.

I will light a candle for all who have lost their lives on transgender rememberance day, as I will also be doing on Nov25th for woman and regularly do on most rememberance days.

Not questioning whether trans murder victims exist early, read my post. I was asking about what previous poster described as "trans shock", trans people being murdered because they've gone to bed with someone without disclosing that they're trans. I'm not sure why the PP brought that up but they did so I wanted to know why and whether there are recorded cases.

I think trans people should have a day of remembrance if they want one.

Murder rates averaged from data from 2008-2016 in England and Wales:

All: 1.01 per 100,000
Men: 1.38 per 100,000
Women: 0.64 per 100,000
Trans (medical transition) 0.68 per 100,000
GNC/non "cis" identifying: 0.14 per 100,000

HTH.

@bespin please don’t let a group of intolerant people get you down. In the real world, people have empathy and care greatly about any life lost.

Also wot @EarlyWalker just said We don't all think like this, even though it sometimes seems so on here.