TG day of remembrance

[WomanAndProud]

When did 20 November become the transgender Day Of Remembrance?

Is there an International Women's Day of Remembrance? We bloody well need to get onto it given the numbers of us who are actually killed every single day. And given that the majority of women who are murdered are killed by men, that's anti-women (adult human female, to be clear - and that's not exclusionary, trans women don't want to be included anyway, they've made their own day they can't now complain about not being in ours).

And I do hope that they'll be remembering the trans people killed by other trans people. Because there are a fair few of them too.

The discussion was about TDOR and was repeatedly claimed that no trans women had been murdered in the UK this year. This article is proof that those statements are false.

Ffs. NO! It was claimed none were murderered because they were trans. What are you doing repeatedly misrepresenting what is being said?!

Equally, trans people are killed, sometimes it makes the news, oftentimes it doesn’t. All deaths are equally tragic

Agree. We shouldn't just ignore some. They're all equally tragic.

I responded that women are not murdered because they are female

Are you fucking serious?

Nobody is ignoring anything! For gods sake.

Pennydrew - nobody's misrepresenting what was said. You apparently don't want to acknowledge that trans people can and do get attacked/murdered for being trans. No-one's forcing you to.
Transpeople do though, and that's why they want a day for it. They should have every right to have a day to remember them by.

Trans people do not get murdered for being trans in the UK. Globally they do, but as has been made crystal clear loads of times, other factors are involved. In the UK, you are at a reduced risk of being a victim of homicide, less than men. That is factual.

Nobody is stopping them having a day, we are discussing it. We have a right to speak about whatever the fuck we want.

"" There was a great deal of discussion as to the health risks for transwomen taking certain brands of hormones- one person said they knew three other people who’d died taking them, and they’d nearly died as well.""
I'm posting this again, from the 'we're still here' conference thread.
How many trans people are dying from their medication or complications due to surgery?
I'm guessing it's more than the one transwomen allegedly murdered in this country this year?
When are they remembered?
Why are they not being mentioned?
We know why

From ‘Tooshytoshine’
Just because you have a cnt doesn't mean you have to be one*

More misogynistic abuse, gosh you TRA’s are out in force trolling women’s groups this week aren’t you?

Nobody is ever murdered because they are trans, or gay, or a woman, or black.They are murdered because people are transphobia, homophobic, mysogyny, racist etc.

That's a huge contradiction.
People aren't murdered because they are trans, gay,a woman or black but then in the next breath they are murdered because of transphobia, homophobic, mysogyny or racist.
Surely if someone was one of those and killing someone just because they were a woman/black/trans/gay it is BECAUSE they are homophobic/transphobic etc. Which would mean they are killed due to intolerance then, surely?

Just because you have a cnt doesn't mean you have to be one.*

That didn’t take long.

My understanding of TDoR is that it was also opportunity to reflect upon those who had taken their own lives. In fact, they are remembered at the vigils I have attended, and they tend to be young and many...

And they should be entitled to have a remembrance day too,agree with you there.
A trans remembrance day for all those whose lives have been taken whether taken their own lives or attacked.

No idea who that's aimed at, doesn't mean people are auto gynephiles just because they don't agree with you yanno.

"A trans remembrance day for all those whose lives have been taken whether taken their own lives or attacked."

Again, TDoR is not about people who have committed suicide, it is specifically:

"a day on which those trans and gender-diverse people who have been victims of homicide are remembered."

It seems fair when you consider that it was (and still is in some places) a legitimate defence against a murder charge that the killer didn't know their victim was transgender until they were becoming intimately involved.

"a day on which those trans and gender-diverse people who have been victims of homicide are remembered."

No one on the thread has an issue with this, however TRA's have re-purposed the day to fit their agenda. That is who the anger should be directed and not as expected at those pointing this out.

"It seems fair when you consider that it was (and still is in some places) a legitimate defence against a murder charge that the killer didn't know their victim was transgender until they were becoming intimately involved."

Say what?

It's called the 'gay panic defence'. Stop appropriating things. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

Same page says this:

Trans panic is a similar defense applied in cases of assault, manslaughter, or murder of a transgender individual, with whom the assailant(s) engaged in sexual relations unaware that the victim is transgender until seeing them naked, or further into or post sexual activity.

Little confused as to what that last post has got to do with transremembrance day? You have a friend who's trans and every inch a woman? Erm.... good?

WomanAndProud - Why did you post on this matter on MN? What were you hoping to achieve?

If we're looking at the highest and most tragic victims of homicide by class, where's the day of remembrance for children under 1 year old, the consistently highest ratio statistic for murder in the UK? Disabled people? Black people? Women? The elderly? You're right, there is none. The only other termed 'day of remembrance' in the UK is for millions of war dead.

This isn't about 'no one group can have it unless all groups can have it', or petty resentfulness, or prejudice. It's about the ability of some women to recognise that this is part of the strategy to frame the transgender community as exceptional victims worthy of especial sympathy, which includes the (false) suicide statistics and constant referencing of suicide risk, and is about the general public being sufficiently convinced of the extreme vulnerability and pathos of this group not to resist the changes in law to surrender women and children's rights.

Like the endless referencing of suicide risks, it is inaccurate and insulting to the trans community to be constantly painted as all extremely vulnerable and in danger, and no, I don't buy the propaganda for entitlement to exceptional, extraordinary rights over women. This is a day flying under a false flag.