TG day of remembrance

[WomanAndProud]

When did 20 November become the transgender Day Of Remembrance?

Is there an International Women's Day of Remembrance? We bloody well need to get onto it given the numbers of us who are actually killed every single day. And given that the majority of women who are murdered are killed by men, that's anti-women (adult human female, to be clear - and that's not exclusionary, trans women don't want to be included anyway, they've made their own day they can't now complain about not being in ours).

And I do hope that they'll be remembering the trans people killed by other trans people. Because there are a fair few of them too.

I mis typed I'm. sorry about that, let me tell you about her she was a young lady that was quite. Well known in her area she had transitioned a. few years before, though not from the best of backgrounds and not able to easily access all the services that others have she was making the best of what she had and she had a boyfriend that loved her, she had sort help and people were trying to help her at the time she died and there was a month lead up to this incident happening where people were trying to highlight the dangers and people did not listen as this was a working class girl from a rough place. but again please you tell me about her from your Google search

please tell us all how we should remember those of us who were not lucky enough to receive the support we needed or have the means to access it those around us to help when we needed it. please continue to tell us how we are doing this wrong I want you too because the more you do the more you show how little regard you have for anyone else and for how it effects them.

What are you going on about? This is not healthy communication.

please tell us all how we should remember those of us who were not lucky enough to receive the support we needed or have the means to access it those around us to help when we needed it.

Is that what the day is about now?

There's an awful lot of projection happening here. Nobody is stopping or preventing anyone from remembering someone they have lost.

The thread is questioning the motivations of some activists, not all of them.

Just popping back in to say that if anyone reading this has lost a loved one to violent crime, I can personally recommend the charity SAMM (Support After Murder & Manslaughter).

You can contact them at any time, even decades after the initial bereavement.

www.samm.org.uk/poems.php

Funny how it’s the question is now ‘they shouldn’t receive public funds’ because a few pages back the question was ‘it doesn’t really happen they’re just doing it to score points’ and a few pages before that it was ‘they think they’re woman so they should do women’s rememberance day not transgender’ and before that it was ‘noone Cares enough about women to remember them, why do they get a day when we dont’

Make up your minds as to why, if you’re going to have such an issue with people remembering the dead. So Disrespectful. A few people’s opinions of what is to be ‘remembered’ at this event is not everyone’s, a few people don’t speak for an entire group. A few woman certainly do not speak for me that’s for sure.

People can use a rememberance day to remember who they like in their own way, to say they should be denied this for any of the points above is ridiculous.

And the fact that the whole faux innocence of ‘we just care about woman’ this is nothing to do with women, this is hating on a group of people for remembering those that have died because you don’t see them worthy and you refuse to admit that trans people do face difficulties in life and can’t face that when you count suicides and deaths world wide, there is a large number.

Should we only be allowed to remember those that a select few tell us we should? Because I thought this movement centred on freedom of expression, yet you’re denying that trans people should have freedom to remember their own dead. All because ‘there’s not that many of them’ Or ‘they’re only remembering dead people because they want to manipulate us’ despite the obvious egos of some people, the trans community does not actually revolve around upsetting feminists, they are real people and it’s Awful that this thread exists.

EarlyWalker

Oh stop with the hyperbole. The issues have been made clear and our words represent what we think, not your weird twists and misrepresentations. Nobody is denying anyone anything. Official days of rememberance have established meanings and intents.

I can't believe that some people on here can't see the difference between a discussion about a 'transgender day of remembrance' (which in itself most people don't seem to have a problem with) and a discussion about how other people's tragedies are co-opted by certain TRAs to further their agenda.

died simply for being trans

But did they die for being trans? Or did they die because they were put into the path of violent buyers, or because they were under the control of abusive "partners".

So-called 'sex work' is highly dangerous.

26 women died at the hands of their buyers and partners between 2010 and 2017 in the UK. (Home Office stats)
Between 1990 and 2006 the toll was:
Women: 105
Men: 2
Trans:2
(Saunders and Platt, 2017)

Oh stop with the hyperbole. The issues have been made clear and our words represent what we think, not your weird twists and misrepresentations. Nobody is denying anyone anything

Early Walker hasn't weird twisted at all, the above post was exactly what has been said on the thread. Not twisted.
Nobody is denying anyone anything? Even though people on the thread have said that transgender assaults don't happen (then when queried admitted but they do happen abroad so why should be celebrating it in the uk.)
It's all there on the thread for anyone to see.
What's that if not denying them the right to have a remembrance day? Saying it doesn't happen and then why do they need one anyway kind of is.

Highly emotive personal distress pushed forward as a reason people should pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. It's exactly how this whole movement works.

It's been perfectly obvious throughout this thread that the points being made in no way validate the narrative being pushed here, there's no point reiterating them. What I will point out, is that Jean Hackett, in her rides for murdered women - no national days, no fuss, no politicians virtue signalling by overt recognition never extended to any other group, just on a quiet personal mission - has not met with compassion, respect or support from the trans community. There's been no sympathy at all for that group of victims. She's been extensively harassed, bullied and insulted for refusing to shift her focus from murdered women to murdered transwomen on command. The respect demanded is absolutely not two way.

I don’t understand what I’ve twisted? Or is it just easier for you to say that so you don’t have to defend it.

I don’t understand these comparisons between woman’s days and trans days, they are two separate things. I hear the phrase ‘not my circus not my monkeys’ said regularly on here. If you think there should be more events for woman - guess who needs to be organising them? Yep, you guys, the feminists of the world. But you’re too busy hating on trans people to remember ordinary woman these days unless you’re fighting for their toilet. Please remind me, how many woman have been murdered in the UK as a direct result of a trans person being in their toilet? And how many woman have been murdered due to domestic abuse, yet why was i the only one on this thread to point out the day of remembrance of violance against men, yet there’s 313 posts on this thread about the transgender day.

Don’t blame trans people for your failures as feminists. There are many many issues around Self ID, I will never deny that, but using a day of trans remembrance as bait to say their manipulating you, that’s a new low.

*violance against WOMEN

The manipulation of the Trans lobby around everything is in plain sight.

Otherwise, yup, isn't it amazing what a 'rights' group driven mostly by able bodied, straight, white, affluent men have been able to achieve in about five years, compared to what women, the black community, the disabled community, the muslim community (just to name a few) have been able to achieve in the past century?

Why ever could that be?

Transgender activist Mirha-Soleil Ross criticizes TDoR for conflating the motivation behind the murders of transgender women sex workers. In an interview with scholar Viviane Namaste, she presents examples of transgender sex workers who were murdered in Toronto for being sex workers and accuses the organizers of TDoR of using these women who died for being sex workers as martyrs of the transgender community.

dailycaller.com/2018/05/12/linguistic-minefield-of-politically-correct-tranny/

Written by a transgender person

This isn't about 'no one group can have it unless all groups can have it', or petty resentfulness, or prejudice. It's about the ability of some women to recognise that this is part of the strategy to frame the transgender community as exceptional victims worthy of especial sympathy, which includes the (false) suicide statistics and constant referencing of suicide risk, and is about the general public being sufficiently convinced of the extreme vulnerability and pathos of this group not to resist the changes in law to surrender women and children's rights.

"failures as feminists"

OK then.

I keep coming back to this thread and feeling utterly baffled by the conclusions being drawn by those who disagree.

Disagree freely - it's a public board; but don't project, cherry pick and use hyperbole as your means of criticism.

Words are here on the thread for all to see. I agree that they are. I would question though, whether we are all reading the same thing! This is a useful illustration of the issues around the ability to debate the GRA consultation - where any questions, criticisms or hesitation is immediately labelled as bigotry and discrimination, and only blind and unswerving acceptance of the groupthink is acceptable.

Anyway, Germaine Bunbury is calling. Go well.

Betty Thanks for sharing link

Jilly wana swap knitting patterns whilst wait for your questions to be answers, could probably learn to knit family of Xmas jumpers whilst we wait, ‘tis what us women’ do init 🤦🏼‍♀️

*answered not answer

Women are supposed to knit? Damn, I'm womanning wrong again then.

I keep coming back to this thread because this is my line the limit of what I can except in all this, the living can defend themselves but our dead are not something that need to be debated on here or how we choose to recognise them we were the first trans day of remembrance was so small no one even know it happened and we just simply read names and thanked God that we were not in those positions and prayed for the ones we lost. if you really have a problem with that or others supporting us in doing that, then you have no valid concern other than to stop a group of people remembering the people that we lost. and arguing that it does not happen here so why do it. is like saying why did we do a thing for Paris it didn't happen here, how short sighted do you need to be not to show empathy for others that are not in this country