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The Guardian REVERSE FERRET

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 19:53

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/the-guardian-view-on-the-gender-recognition-act-where-rights-collide
The Guardian view on the Gender Recognition Act: where rights collide
Editorial

So after all this time, the Guardian say this.

They have had months to calm the debate.

They wait until now. Then pull a reverse ferret
ferret

I genuinely don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 19:54

ferret
Reverse Ferret

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 19:56

Reverse ferret is a phrase used predominantly within the British media to describe a sudden reversal in an organisation's editorial line on a certain issue. Generally, this will involve no acknowledgement of the previous position.

The term originates from Kelvin MacKenzie's time at The Sun. His preferred description of the role of journalists when it came to public figures was to "stick a ferret up their trousers". This meant making their lives uncomfortable, and was based on the supposed northern stunt of ferret-legging (where contestants compete to show who can endure a live ferret within their sealed trousers the longest). However, when it became clear that the tide of public opinion had turned against the paper's line, MacKenzie would burst from his office shouting "Reverse Ferret!"

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rightreckoner · 17/10/2018 19:57

We have always been at war with Eastasia / Eurasia

arranfan · 17/10/2018 19:58

Earlier thread with some discussion: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397633-is-this-an-about-face-from-the-guardian

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 17/10/2018 20:00

Wtf is going on?

Melamin · 17/10/2018 20:01

Seems pretty amazing. I will hold judgement until I see that it isn't a one off/'mistake'.

KatVonGulag · 17/10/2018 20:05

Oh
My
God

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 20:06

And the Penis News Theresa May video too?!

Wtf.

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Ekphrasis · 17/10/2018 20:16

* "Genderr identity does not cancel out sex"

Lottapianos · 17/10/2018 20:18

I had to read that part about gender identity more than once, because I couldn't believe my eyes. I don't quite know how to feel - part of me wants to cheer, part of me is just confused

LangCleg · 17/10/2018 20:22

I love you, Red.

Jus' sayin'.

The Grauniad can fuck off.

Anlaf · 17/10/2018 20:27

Glad you're here now Guardian, but where the fuck have you been?

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 20:29

So...

... Looks at BBC and C4...

...who is next?

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Charliethefeminist · 17/10/2018 20:30

Important because Channel 4 and BBC have now been given permission to start rowing back

Mrsr8 · 17/10/2018 20:31

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Charliethefeminist · 17/10/2018 20:32

This is like a pink slip to go to the bathroom for the BBC (except newsbeat lol)

Channel 4 actually have principles so will try to hold out a little longer

LittleLebowski · 17/10/2018 20:33

The G can still do one in my book, but still. Enjoying the kicking they're getting on Twitter.

Charliethefeminist · 17/10/2018 20:33

No no no I mean the guardian op Ed gives the BBC and Channel 4 permission!

bookgirl1982 · 17/10/2018 20:34

Amazing!

Next, Ocado will apologise!

Charliethefeminist · 17/10/2018 20:35

Sorry mrs8 I gave the wrong impression there

Now that the guardian has rowed back, which they all treat like a moral barometer at the BBC and Channel 4, it just ploughs the road for them

Charliethefeminist · 17/10/2018 20:37

Is there anyone else still holding out? Daily Mirror?

BettyDuMonde · 17/10/2018 20:41

Someone is on rapid clean-up duty at the Guardian Online tonight.

These are the ‘Related Stories’ underneath this morning’s story on the parliament meeting with FPFW, WPUK, ManFriday etc.

All are skewed towards the women’s rights angle (the Mumsnet one only slightly), but there are two stories from June and then nothing at all until this week (when we’ve had a total of 4). The pre-June links that fill the link- block are all non-GRA stories.

I think we can stop speculating as to whether the tide is turning - it has.

(I imagine flustered web content creators frantically searching and deleting all occurrences of ’terf’, pausing only to mop the sweat from their brows)

The Guardian REVERSE FERRET
ThisMadnessMustStop · 17/10/2018 20:41

It’s been a long day... am I seeing things?

BettyDuMonde · 17/10/2018 20:42

I wonder how long we’ll have to hit refresh on the Independent’s website before their own version appears?

Won’t be long, they won’t want to look like they are ‘on the wrong side of history’, will they? 🤓

BettyDuMonde · 17/10/2018 20:45

Correction, a total of 5 this week, including today’s 2

That’s quite a lot of ferrets in one pair of trousers.

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