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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Guardian REVERSE FERRET

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 19:53

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/the-guardian-view-on-the-gender-recognition-act-where-rights-collide
The Guardian view on the Gender Recognition Act: where rights collide
Editorial

So after all this time, the Guardian say this.

They have had months to calm the debate.

They wait until now. Then pull a reverse ferret
ferret

I genuinely don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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JuneOsbourne · 17/10/2018 21:53

Has The Guardian been hacked? It's such an abrupt volte face that I'm astounded there is no reference to how they have reported on this issue up to now.

I agree with the posters above. There's something fishy about this. It feels like they're creating a paper trail to imply their coverage was balanced in full knowledge that two days before the consultation closes is far too late to have any real impact.

That or they've looked at that Times readers poll and had an "ohhh shit..." moment.

hackmum · 17/10/2018 22:00

My guess is that there are big divisions in the Guardian. Whoever edits the online comment section is very pro trans. But I think they have a few women on staff who are more sceptical. Perhaps they all had a fight and Polly Toynbee pinned Little OJ to the floor while Hadley Freeman frantically typed the leader column.

BettyDuMonde · 17/10/2018 22:06

That made me cackle, Hackmum

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 17/10/2018 22:09

Perhaps they all had a fight and Polly Toynbee pinned Little OJ to the floor while Hadley Freeman frantically typed the leader column

While Oliver Burkeman was lookout and Suzanne Moore held Zoe Williams off with a chair.

ThisMadnessMustStop · 17/10/2018 22:16
Grin
FermatsTheorem · 17/10/2018 22:18

Perhaps they all had a fight and Polly Toynbee pinned Little OJ to the floor while Hadley Freeman frantically typed the leader column

While Oliver Burkeman was lookout and Suzanne Moore held Zoe Williams off with a chair.

And someone hid Gaby Hinscliffe's mobile phone which upset her so much (because phones are all we wims think about) she got distracted and didn't realise what Hadley was up to.

And with that wonderful image in my head, I shall potter off to bed.

Melamin · 17/10/2018 22:19

It does remind me of the Lib Dem who was going to listen to both sides You'll find him here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397760-Open-Letter-about-Trans-Media-Portrayal-signed-by-lots

Halka · 17/10/2018 22:20

The surprising thing is that press has been so willing to publish 'scare' articles claiming that the proposed reform of the GRA will endanger single-sex space, when the consultation document makes it clear that single-sex space is protected by the Equality Act (2010) which will not be changing. All that is proposed is a simple administrative change, that has already worked well in Ireland and other countries, to make it simpler and less costly on the public purse for GRCs to be issued. Surely the press - especially the Guardian - must have known this? If so, why publish so many 'false news' items? It's like Leveson all over again.

Deliriumoftheendless · 17/10/2018 22:23

Lots of people will be swearing blind they were against self id and hoping evidence to the contrary is forgotten.

That’s the trouble when you’re more bothered about looking like you care than actually caring.

FermatsTheorem · 17/10/2018 22:23

Well, Halka, clearly the protections in the Equalties act aren't working that well - Karen White, Jessica Winfield? If single sex spaces are protected, how come those things happened. Because they did happen. No matter how many times people tell us "That will never happen." It has, it continues to happen, it seems to be happening with increasing frequency.

And in a world where the police are being sent out (five officers plus a police horse) to women handing out leaflets, you'll excuse me if I think you are in fact talking shite.

Justhadathought · 17/10/2018 22:25

For me The Guardian is just now trying to be on " the right side of history' in a damage limitation exercise. Mealy mouthed and equivocating. Nah!

64BooLane · 17/10/2018 22:25

Perhaps they all had a fight and Polly Toynbee pinned Little OJ to the floor while Hadley Freeman frantically typed the leader column

While Oliver Burkeman was lookout and Suzanne Moore held Zoe Williams off with a chair.

I love all of this so much

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 22:31

I'm no Sandy.

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 17/10/2018 22:40

I love the artists impression!

but yeah, why now? what's made their position change?

NotBadConsidering · 17/10/2018 22:41

GrinGrin

It’s like the scene from Jurassic Park when Lexi is trying to reboot the security system with the velociraptors at the door.

R0wantrees · 17/10/2018 22:54

Meanwhile in other 'media':

(extract)
"Speaking about transgender rights, [Jeremy Corbyn] said: “We must speak up for the trans community, who today face shocking attacks in the media—just as lesbian and gay people did in the 1980s—as well as now online, which can be a wonderful place but also a horrendous place where attacks take place.

“Labour supports reform of the Gender Recognition Act and Equality Act to allow for self-declaration. The deadline for Government’s consultation is on Friday.

“Trans people must be able to live full, healthy, and happy lives—being the person they want to be. Labour will stand up for their right to do so.” (continues)
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/17/jeremy-corbyn-pinknews-awards-2018/

Hmm
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HumberElla · 17/10/2018 23:00

I smell a rat. Or a ferret. Either way something whiffs about this.
Self ID gets a big push through at the last minute and then we all get asked to pull together to make it work, now we’re all here. Sounds familiar somehow.

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 17/10/2018 23:02

Bit behind the programme Jeremy.

Find your inner ferret love.

Twat.

littlbrowndog · 17/10/2018 23:07

Fuck off jeremy just fuck off
You have never had a proper job never
Fuck off

gilchrist168 · 17/10/2018 23:18

Fuck off jeremy just fuck off
You have never had a proper job never
Fuck off

Yep! Too right, well said.

R0wantrees · 17/10/2018 23:18

Gaystar News article by Anya Crittenton:

'Guardian newspaper tries to stop UK getting world class trans rights
Essentially: do nothing and 'reflect'

(extract)
The Guardian today published a piece from their editorial team about the UK’s Gender Recognition Act (GRA). The newspaper’s stance is essentially do nothing with the GRA and trans rights, and instead ‘pause for reflection’.

While The Guardian says it ‘supports trans equality and believes reform of the law could form part of this’, it also perpetuates harmful stereotypes about transgender people.

Namely, in the article, the editorial team acknowledges dangerous myths about the concerns of ‘male-bodied people’ and not recognizing trans women as real women. (continues)

The Guardian rejects the idea that one of these positions is the right one – and the other wrong,’ it writes. ‘While campaigners for trans rights are entitled to push for laws that they believe advance equality, feminists are entitled to question whether such changes could adversely affect other women.’

Its main argument comes from the fight for women’s rights, while excluding trans women from this narrative.

In a particularly revealing paragraph, the newspaper states: ‘Women’s oppression by men has a physical basis, and to deny the relevance of biology when considering sexual inequality is a mistake.

‘The struggle for women’s empowerment is ongoing. Reproductive freedoms are under threat and the #MeToo campaign faces a backlash. Women’s concerns about sharing dormitories or changing rooms with “male-bodied” people must be taken seriously. These are not just questions of safety but of dignity and fairness.’

This opinion gives credence to TERFS (trans-exclusionary radical feminists). It also lends support to the offensive ideas that trans women firstly, are not real women, and secondly, pose threats."

www.gaystarnews.com/article/guardian-stop-uk-world-class-trans-rights/#gs.cSkBkK4

BettyDuMonde · 17/10/2018 23:22

Suppose we better brace ourselves for an incoming wave of narc abuse...

littlbrowndog · 17/10/2018 23:22

What’s with the feminists and other women
Are feminists not women
Weird sentence

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 17/10/2018 23:25

No comments under the Gay Star News article yet

FekkoTheLawyer · 17/10/2018 23:27

Too little too late. I still wouldn't wipe my bum in the gruniard.

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