Is this an about-face from The Guardian?

[NopeNi]

Well fuck me I wouldn't have expected to read this in the Guardian.

I mean, don't get me wrong, it still focuses on rights for transwomen and calls both sides of the debate "toxic" (of course) but it also says:

..."But misogyny too must be challenged. Gender identity does not cancel out sex. Women’s oppression by men has a physical basis, and to deny the relevance of biology when considering sexual inequality is a mistake. The struggle for women’s empowerment is ongoing. Reproductive freedoms are under threat and the #MeToo campaign faces a backlash. Women’s concerns about sharing dormitories or changing rooms with “male-bodied” people must be taken seriously. These are not just questions of safety but of dignity and fairness."

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/the-guardian-view-on-the-gender-recognition-act-where-rights-collide

Your?

I don't agree they've gone as far as rationality.

Rationality would be saying something like "how the living fuck did we get to a point where paedophile rapists are being incarcerated with women and children oh Jesus has it got anything to do with our propaganda on behalf of Marie/Gary dean" or similar.

Or "oh my god we've just realised we are complicit in the state-sanctioned destruction of the endocrine systems and fertility of vulnerable children"

Does anyone remember when,after slagging off Corbyn for ever, they decided to flip 180 degrees and all the journalists announce he was the best thing ever?
That didn't last long. And neither will this.
Fwiw it's too bloody late. For me, anyway.

Redtoothbrush
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And all the other amazing women on FWR too.
And those who say fuck you to the Guardian... yes indeed.

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In the article: "The public needs to be better informed"

You're a newspaper. If the public is ill informed, it's your fault.

Sorry, but no. This is FAR too little, FAR too late, after they had an enormous hand in making it all worse. It will take a lot more than this to win me back.

"The Guardian rejects the idea that one of these positions is the right one – and the other wrong."

Anti-trans group leads march

anti-trans rhetoric is like homophobia

anti-trans zealots

Who in the name of Christ do they think they are fooling?

There is a LOT of hysteria and accusations of literal murder on twitter.

Also cancelled my membership but am glad to hear about this. There are some at least questioning journalists there like Hadley Freeman and Suzanne Moore.

RedToothBrush - They’re going to have a pretty busy time whitewashing their past if that’s the case.

Nope, Grauniad. We all know that had to be dragged out of you.

You can still fuck right off to the far side of fuck and, when you get there, fuck off some more.

You'll need to grovel for a very long time before I even consider you within the pale again.

I wonder why they've done it. What's happened. What do they know?

They’re going to have a pretty busy time whitewashing their past if that’s the case.

Why?

Newspapers have done it for years and got away with it. Why shouldn't t the Guardian?

Too many people have short memories. Give it a few weeks and half the woke will be saying this is what they believed all along.

'I wonder why they've done it. What's happened. '

That's what I'm wondering too

Too little too late. Also sick of reading it's activists Vs feminists. This is some that effects all females, it's TRA's vs sex as a protected category and sex defeated spaces.

Something*

True RedToothBrush

Sex segregated* stupid phone!

I’m afraid it’s too late to win me back as a reader. They have let misogyny reign and demonstrated that they don’t actually give a shit about women and girls’ safety if it means saying no to or upsetting some men.

Stonewall drop their acceptance without exception line and stick a dodgy ad in the newspapers which isn't as approved as it might look on the surface which involves a bunch of powerful organisations, there's a meeting in the HoC where MPs are too scared to admit going to it and Theresa May does a penis news speech.

We are all about to get stitched up royally or there's a real sea change.

I don't know which.

I just had a look on Twitter and Natacha Kennedy is arguing that trans voices are being silenced and excluded from the debate and others say the Guardian has a terrible record with trans rights.

Do these people live in a parallel universe?!

We are all about to get stitched up royally or there's a real sea change.

I don't know which

I wonder if it is beginning to dawn on the Grauniad that, whatever the outcome of the consultation, we are not going to stop? And that Labour is not going to win a general election while its front bench is completely pomo-addled? Think of the Shon Faye histrionics earlier - the sudden realisation that the post-industrial heartlands - the very votes Labour will need - are not going to buy it. Oh my god, they're telling the plebs about this! Panic stations! suddenly looks very transparent, does it not?

I just had a look on Twitter and Natacha Kennedy is arguing that trans voices are being silenced and excluded from the debate and others say the Guardian has a terrible record with trans rights.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Do these people live in a parallel universe?!

Didn't you know there are as many universes as there are genders? An infinite number, each one as valid as the next.