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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So what rights do transpeople think they don’t have?

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YuhBasic · 16/10/2018 23:01

Because I’m still not clear.

Sorry if this has been answered before 😕

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DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 27/12/2018 09:58

I realise that your question is rhetorical, Athena, but here is an answer: "no, because this right is driven by men for the benefit of men."

Justhadathought · 27/12/2018 10:54

From what I have observed there is much that is text book narcissism in much of the trans rights movement: it is all is about them; their feelings; their rights - and any criticism is deflected back and hugely magnified out of all proportion. There is a continual need for confirmation and affirmation - and sod everyone else. There is little awareness or empathy for actual women at all; their situation; their feelings; their rights.

It seems that the rights that are lacking are the rights to dictate all terms and to have the world affirm one's identity: through total control of thought and speech. The identity construct is so fragile that anything might shatter it, at any time.

This is not about equal rights, but about extra rights - of the narcissistic kind. The kinds of rights that nobody else really has.

You cannot change sex, in the same way that you cannot change race, age or any number of other material realities.

Knittink · 27/12/2018 10:59

I can see how formally recognising gender as being fluid and existent for some and not for others could serve to accelerate the process of uncoupling gender and sex and eradicating sex stereotyping.

Really?! Much of what we read about the characteristics which make people feel like they were born in the wrong body are based on stereotypes. Surely by agreeing that 'You don't like pink, barbies and glitter, so no you can't possibly be a girl really, you must be a boy/gender fluid etc' is perpetuating those stereotypes, not helping to dismantle them?

Justhadathought · 27/12/2018 11:02

"Narcissism lies on a continuum from healthy to pathological. Healthy narcissism is part of normal human functioning. It can represent healthy self-love and confidence that is based on real achievement, the ability to overcome setbacks and derive the support needed from social ties.

But narcissism becomes a problem when the individual becomes preoccupied with the self, needing excessive admiration and approval from others, while showing disregard for other people’s sensitivities. If the narcissist does not receive the attention desired, substance abuse and major depressive disorder can develop."

Ereshkigal · 27/12/2018 11:04

It seems that the rights that are lacking are the rights to dictate all terms and to have the world affirm one's identity: through total control of thought and speech. The identity construct is so fragile that anything might shatter it, at any time.

YY. Narcissism self belief and meeting the need to have it confirmed are only manageable when you can control everything either by manipulation or more overt coercion.

Justhadathought · 27/12/2018 11:23

We all struggle with our identity. This is part of the human condition. Trying locate ourselves amidst the social noise and expectations of who we should be; or how we should find ourselves. Our Identity changes with the passage of time, age and experience.

We all have to live, though, within the confines of certain material realities, and our identity has to adapt to reflect these realities. You cannot force the world to change or adapt to you. A healthy sense of self and identity is secure. We do not have excessive need of others to continually affirm it.

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