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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Serious official criticism of Butterfly

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Charliethefeminist · 14/10/2018 04:13

link

I have an issue with my login so good luck with the link. You might only get the headline.

This is serious journalism by Andrew Gilligan.

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GladAllOver · 14/10/2018 14:03

If this programme promotes misleading data on suicides, I will be raising a complaint with the regulator Ofcom.
Suggest that others do the same.

Datun · 14/10/2018 14:04

differentnameforthis

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-41213534

...cross-sex hormone treatment can effectively put patients on the path to sterilisation, alongside other changes, which is a "huge ethical issue".

She has since been convicted of running an unlicensed clinic.

R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 15:17

Sun, Oct 14, 2018 Express: 'Butterfly on ITV: Is it based on a true story?
BUTTERFLY is the brand new drama coming to ITV this weekend but is it based on a true story? Here’s everything you need to know.
By MOLLI MITCHELL'
(extract)
"Express.co.uk spoke to Mermaids charity CEO, Susie Green who was a consultant on the show about the creation of Butterfly and the importance of the show.

Green explained: “Parts of the drama have not happened to any of the families involved, but many of the situations ring true.

“It is important to keep people engaged and invested in the family and their struggles, therefore artistic licence is needed whilst remaining true to the real-life experiences of so many parents and their children.”

Green is the CEO of Mermaids UK, a charity which raises awareness about gender nonconformity and provides support to transgender children, young people and their families.

At the moment, Mermaids has a community of 1200 parents and 500 young people." (continues)

www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1030848/Butterfly-ITV-plot-is-it-based-on-a-true-story-real-life-transgender-Anna-Friel-Mermaids

R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 15:30

Andrew Gilligan (Times)

Serious official criticism of Butterfly
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/10/2018 15:38

FFS. I'm really surprised Samaritans hasn't said anything - they usually do...

R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 15:44

Andrew Gilligan

Serious official criticism of Butterfly
R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 15:46

Mermaids Charity

Serious official criticism of Butterfly
LangCleg · 14/10/2018 15:51

At the moment, Mermaids has a community of 1200 parents and 500 young people

Well, that is interesting. The support board set up for parents of ROGD kids who are worried about medical and surgical interventions in minors currently has 1,100 members.

How come Mermaids has all this funding but only such a small number of devotees and such reach into police forces and schools, despite endless promotion? And yet a small little board you'd only find if you spent hours digging online has the same number of parents and not a penny or moment of notice from TPTB?

happydappy2 · 14/10/2018 15:53

When trans kids are supported they blossom.
Unless Mermaids get involved then they get sterilised.

It makes me feel sick.

SPOFS · 14/10/2018 15:54

I bet ITV are rubbing their hands with glee over all this publicity.

They've even changed their Twitter profile header picture to it! Shock

Needmoresleep · 14/10/2018 15:54

It’s mirrors the way Kids Company was able to attract lots of Government and other monies, whilst other charities supporting similar numbers of young people could not.

Powerful support?

R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 15:57

Metro Opinion piece:
"ITV’s Butterfly will do for trans kids today what Anna Friel’s Brookside kiss did for me in the ’90s"
Ruth Hunt CEO of LGBT rights charity Stonewall
Sunday 14 Oct 2018 12:00 pm

That is, until that fateful episode of Brookside in 1994. To finally feel like I was seeing myself reflected in what I was watching was nothing short of transformative. I know I’m not alone in sharing these feelings. The celebrities, TV, movie, and sport stars we see in the media and online can help many of us develop our sense of self. But especially for communities who exist on the margins of society, like lesbian, gay, bi and trans people, seeing people like us on-screen can be incredibly important. Our stories, voices and experiences are still rarely seen and heard in an authentic way in the media. That’s what makes moments like the Brookside kiss so important. Of course, there has been tremendous progress in the representation of LGBT people in film and TV since 1994. Just last year Moonlight, with its all-black cast, became the first LGBT film to win the Academy Award for Best Picture. But we’re certainly still not mainstream. Gay, white, cis men still dominate the representations of our community in the media. It’s rare that even in 2018 you find a lesbian or bi character who doesn’t portray a lazy stereotype, let alone manage to survive a full TV season. And getting the roughest end of the deal are trans people. It’s hard to find representations of trans people who have any kind of a rounded personality or background, who aren’t there simply to act as victims of crime or villains themselves. (continues)

Airing Sunday, Butterfly is set to break ground with a story centred on the life of a transgender child and their family. The three-part series takes a thoughtful, sensitive approach to depicting the experience of a trans child and their transitioning process. For trans young people and their loved ones, watching Butterfly might just have the same impact on them as the Brookside kiss had on me and so many other lesbians. Butterfly also comes at a crucial time for trans people and equality. Right now, we’re seeing daily articles questioning trans people’s identities and misleading headlines about young people being ‘turned trans’. It reminds me of the way lesbian, gay and bi people were talked about in the ‘80s and ‘90s – that LGB teachers were ‘turning’ kids like me gay, that a mystical and powerful lobby group was pulling strings behind it all to influence and corrupt young people. This hostility and misinformation in the media and online towards trans communities is heart-breaking and only causing further harm to an already vulnerable minority. Stonewall 2017 research found that nearly two thirds of trans students (64%) are bullied for who they are at school, while four in five (84%) have self-harmed. Butterfly offers trans children a chance to finally see themselves reflected on TV in a positive way. In the current media climate, I know this will be life-changing for so many young people."

metro.co.uk/2018/10/14/itvs-butterfly-will-do-for-trans-kids-today-what-anna-friels-brookside-kiss-did-for-me-in-the-90s-8032405/

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/10/2018 15:59

FUCKS SAKE! Does no-one ever think to challenge those shitty made up statistics?

Budgieinaberet · 14/10/2018 16:01

Maybe ITV should do a film about the boy who was being brought up as a girl.
In court the judge said Mermaids should not be allowed anywhere near this boy.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/10/2018 16:01

I don't believe audiences are half so easily manipulated.
The Brookside kiss was a genuine moment of TV history but you can't turn something into one just by saying over and over again that it will be.

R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 16:03

Watching Twitter search 'ITV Butterfly' is deeply concerning.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/10/2018 16:05

There are some glimpses of sanity in there though...

R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 16:11

Indeed, it's the roles, responsibilities and influence of those promoting it that concern me.

LangCleg · 14/10/2018 16:18

mirrors the way Kids Company was able to attract lots of Government and other monies, whilst other charities supporting similar numbers of young people could not

Doesn't it just?

R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 16:21

Butterfly offers trans children a chance to finally see themselves reflected on TV in a positive way. In the current media climate, I know this will be life-changing for so many young people.

I hope that schools, Social Workers GPs etc are aware of this program.

There may well be children and families influenced by this.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/10/2018 16:26

'Finally'? Does Ruth not have a TV?
One reason Brookside Lesbian Kiss was so big was because it came from left field. This is more likely to have people yawning.

AspieAndProud · 14/10/2018 16:33

At the moment, Mermaids has a community of 1200 parents and 500 young people

Those young people have an average 2.4 parents each. I can see why they might have a problem.

merrymouse · 14/10/2018 16:37

To be honest, and slightly off topic, I don’t think the lesbian kiss on Brookside changed much. Nadia and Brian on Big Brother were far more influential. From what I remember the lesbian storylines on Brookside were always a bit odd.

Budgieinaberet · 14/10/2018 16:39

I expect AF would change her mind if a boy in her teenager daughters class decided he wanted to use the girls showers.

R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 16:44

Peach Yoghurt

'Parents, don't let them label your child transgender!'

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