Ricky Gervais chimes in over Karen White

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Rickeyyy!!!

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Though what the hell a woman is I've no idea. Are you saying you somehow separate them from the transwomen who you can't define?

It's a certain kind of person who thinks humanity should only be applied to one sort of human. If you're that sort of person it doesn't make you a feminist, it makes you something very different indeed.

It’s a fucked up version of feminism that centres men. I centre actual, real natal women in my feminism and if that means keeping men away from vulnerable females, then tough. I’m never going to feel guilty about that. You would rather risk the actual safety and mental wellbeing of natal females in order to pander to the feelings of trans identifying males. I don’t give a shit what that says about me. The misogyny is so ingrained in you, that you can’t even recognise it.

I’ve never met anyone who is ‘totally non-violent’. Violence is always lurking under our bald-chimpanzee skin just waiting for the right trigger. Even those committted for non-violent offences become more violent within the prison environment. The only thing we can do is separate those with the massive physical advantages that comes with male physiology from those without.

Caligula do you oppose sex segregation in all circumstances then? What about a man saying 'I identify as a woman' suddenly renders the women comfortable and safe?

caligula A man can only be a woman in law because a bunch of people made it up, and was arrogant enough to override what women might think about it, after a ruling by a judged forced the gov to let a man change his birth cert so he could marry another man. It is not based on science and rationality, only easing someone's feelings/ MH distress. Is anyone going to declare me a milionnaire because having no money is incredibly distressing? It is nonsense, based on some people's well meaning but naive 'kindness'.

This 'genuine need' from gender dysphoria is no more of serious genuine need than homelessness, other severe mental illness, poverty, cancer etc, grappling with the gov and DWP if you are disabled etc. These serious needs get very little help. The difference is that gender transition was thought to have little to no monetary cost - the real and severe costs are borne by women.

You can bet your life that if this would cost money, it would not be happening.

And it probably had a lot to do with equalising women's pension ages with men, since that was part of the 2002 case that forced changing birth certs - the man was transitioning and wanted take his pension early as a woman.

Of course compensation for KW's victims is going to start costing money, as well as all the other foreseeable complications of this arrangement.

For all legal purposes, if there is any doubt or controversy, your biological sex will be determined by a (clothed) visible inspection of your physical attributes or, at your request, by an unclothed visible inspection. If there is still any ambiguity, it will be determined by a DNA test to verify whether you have XX or XY sex chromosomes.

And that's not even a little bit of a violation when you're going to prison for driving without due care and attention.

If the man had male on his driving licence then there would be no problem, whether he 'dresses like a woman' or believes himself to be a woman or whatever. Simple and not a violation, just facts. People would just say "OK he is a transwoman" and move on.

We can care about transpeople without needing to pervert the law and logic and making women pay for it.

Your disgust and revulsion at the very idea is palpable.

You didn't answer though.

Trans woman doesn't want to be locked up with people who have penis' and a history if crime. So therefore women have to be locked up with with people and that have penis' or used to have penis....And have a history of crime.

Why? Why is it women being forced to make room? Put themseleves at risk?

KW isn't a pretend trans woman. Trans lobby do not believe having your penis removed makes you more of a woman. cal you can't have it always.

Can you explain how it's NOT transphobic to recoil in disgust at the idea of sharing a space with a totally non-violent trans woman?

Let's just pick this apart a little shall we?
recoil in disgust is interesting phrasing. I might say 'allow women agency to consent, or not, to whom they share intimate spaces with'
Bonus points for understanding that consent under pressure of being branded a bigot is not freely obtained.
Sharing a space. Come now. We're not talking about sharing an office. We're talking about being locked in, in close and intimate quarters, with a convicted sexual offender.

How can we tell which ones, of the sex class that commits 98% of sexual assault, are totally non violent btw? If you have a trick, please share it. I'd value that information very much as my teen daughter goes into the world.

There are a lot of posts and I'm not reading them all, sorry, I'm just responding to the ones that are around my posts when I post them.

Ah, now women are the violent ones too.

I forgot, the "female brain" means that women aren't capable of violence. We're only able to do the laundry and the cooking. And to forget to pay our TV licences.

What does seem clear is that you believe it's 'transphobic' (naughty, wrong, unkind, pick your word) for women to not believe a male bodied person is physically, actually, really female if they say so.

Unless they rape you, and then they were lying.

Basically your policy of balancing women's rights is you'll blame the authorities and remove the offender/right for the offender to be a woman after a woman has been harmed. Women will be kind of canaries for who is and isn't lying.

Unless of course the women say wait a fucking moment, I'm a person with legal rights too and you can take your ridiculous, sexist, dehumanising attitude to women and stick it right up your inclusion policy.

a non-violent man can still impregnate a woman, and given how vulnerable many women in prison are, and how many will have been abused by men, I really can't see a single argument for allowing men into a women's prison.

And just because someone hasn't been imprisoned for a violent crime doesn't mean they won't be violent. Violent people and abusers don't go around with identifying tattoos on their foreheads.

Even without a penis, transwomen have the physical strength, muscular development, bones, skeleton, lung capacity etc of a man
We've seen that often enough in sport

They commit crimes at the same rate as other men

If a man had lost his penis in an accident or through illness, then he would be just as strong physically and able to beat up or strangle a woman

Losing a penis, by accident or design, does not remove the ability to commit crimes, other than rape.
It doesn't even prevent other sexual offences.

And very few transwomen prisoners - I don't know if there are any - have full surgery and GRC

caligula males and females are separated partly because it is understood that males pose a risk to females. So even 'non violent' men don't share certain spaces with women.

At what point in transition does a transwoman come out of the risk group of males and therefore no longer pose a risk to women?

I'll bold it for you shall I Cal? Since there are so many posts?

*How do you, Caligula, define a "real" transwoman?

That's a question to you, Caligula.*

A question for Caligula, and anyone else who thinks transwomen with penises should go in women's prisons if they don’t have a history of violent crime against women:

isn’t there a second problem here, which is that EVEN IF you don’t think this person is a risk to the women who will have to share accommodation with the transwoman, women shouldn’t share cells with those who could get them pregnant?

I mean, even if the sex is consensual (or as consensual as is possible in a prison setting)? Are you saying it’s ok for women to be getting pregnant in prison?

95% of violent crime is committed by men. By all means claim that women are equally violent, it won't make it true.

Caligula it's not about 'recoiling in disgust' as you put it (and no-one else, only you) - it's about women feeling unsafe having to share space with men. Other women don't share that person's interpretation of how their womanly identity, they see a man.
And feel frightened, embarrassed, unsafe, triggered if you will.
So, to respect the safety, rights and feelings of women in a women's prison, we should not be putting men in there with them.

The worlds gone fucking mad.

Penis - men's prison
Vagina - women's prison

Can you explain how it's NOT transphobic to recoil in disgust at the idea of sharing a space with a totally non-violent trans woman?

It's not because they're trans, it's because they're male.

It's not 'phobic', it's a normal reaction to sharing with a strange male.

It's not 'disgust', it's a mixture of wariness, embarrassment, fear and anger at being expected to share with someone male.

If anything, aren't you being 'cisphobic' if you maintain that trans males are automatically safer to be around than other males?

I forgot, the "female brain" means that women aren't capable of violence. We're only able to do the laundry and the cooking. And to forget to pay our TV licences.

You have no idea what you are taking about. Women commit fat less crime than men. Fat less violent crime. That's a fact. Much of the reason is sociological rather than just a case of female vs male brain.

As I stated before a Netherlands study show trans some commit crime at the same rate as men. Therefore, if we accept there are male and female brains (I don't), trans women have male brains.

95% of violent crime is committed by men. By all means claim that women are equally violent, it won't make it true.

I saw the 'women rape too' line earlier elsewhere. Clutching at fucking straws to justify putting vulnerable women at risk and denying them privacy from men.

Best keep the poor vulnerable transwomen away from the violent women then, hey?

Nasty women, so mean to people of the sex class that perpetrates 98% of sexual assaults...

ALittleBit

@CaligulaBlushed KW is transitioning and has stated that they will apply for a GRC. Where should KW serve their prison sentence and why?

Even if I go on a business trip, with colleagues whom I've know for years,
there is no way I would share a hotel room with any of them

because I don't really know what they are like in their private lives, away from an office environment with lots of people around
and I'd be embarassed.

I wouldn't share a hotel room with my male cousin, whom I've know for 62 years and who I trust absolutely

• that's about comfort, not safety

CaligulaBlushed

KW is transitioning and has stated that they will apply for a GRC. Where should KW serve their prison sentence and why?

As I keep saying...