Ricky Gervais chimes in over Karen White

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Rickeyyy!!!

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Anybody who supports locking up men with women who have no means of escape must really hate women, or be a fan of rape. Have a word with yourself, so desperate to appear progressive that you are defending such a gross breach of human rights.

Sorry, there are too many people talking to me for me to respond really.

The bottom line for me is Karen White is a dangerous criminal, and like all dangerous criminals should be kept away from vulnerable inmates.

That trans women are women, that their lives are just as valuable as every woman's - and every man's for that matter - and that someone's discomfort at how a trans woman looks is not a good enough reason to say they are a man and send them to a men's prison. What is a good enough reason is their behaviour, like RAPE, which absolutely means they shouldn't live alongside women, whether you think they're actually a woman or not.

I wonder if Karen White will go on the statistics as a "woman who raped" ?

In court he was referred to as "She"
< MNHQ: I always normally use preferred pronouns, but not for rapists >

If in a few years there seems to be a sharp increase in violent crime by women, we should look carefully at the "women"

As I keep saying...

Aye, on a thread about a rapist, that rapist is the only person who’s rights you’re consistently defending!

A link to the consultation on that thread might get some others to complete it?

Yes, that’s the point I was trying to make about pregnancy. There are other reasons not to house criminals with penises in the women’s estate, beyond safety.

Anybody who supports locking up men with women who have no means of escape must really hate women, or be a fan of rape.

You mean trans women? Locking up natal women with trans women? You know a lot of them are just as physically incapable of rape as natal women don't you? Or do you just like to paint every trans woman as a rapist waiting to happen?

Karen White is a man

He would still be a man even if he hadn't committed rape yet ... or hadn't been convicted yet

So is Karen White a woman then Caligula? Whose victims remain traumatized and I believe in at least one case internally injured? Should they be gaslighted in this way? Should the violence against them be recorded as committed by a woman?

Women have a right to boundaries - to say no.
People who argue that women should not have these rights and must share prison cells with those with penises apart from being morally bankrupt, are a danger to women.

Can't stand him. He's a bigot.

What is a good enough reason is their behaviour, like RAPE, which absolutely means they shouldn't live alongside women, whether you think they're actually a woman or not.

Ah yes, a system reliant on that oh so wonderful and effective system which convicts every single rapist.

That’ll work.

Why the fuck has this thread become about the perpetrator, about their rights (I’m indulging so I don’t get banned!) and about men and how tough they have it.

Jesus wept.

This pervert raped women, and then manipulated a system in order to gain access to more, who were then sexually assaulted while having literally nowhere to hide.

And you’re making it about fucking pronouns and rights? Fuck right off.

You know a lot of them are just as physically incapable of rape as natal women don't you?

HOW many? What evidence are you using for that statement?

Cal what is it about a man's prison that makes it so bad for another person who has penis to reside in?

But Caligula it’s not just about rape. What about pregnancy risk for example?

Aside from the risk of rape, housing a person with an intact penis in a female prison also brings the risk of STD's and pregnancy. Would prisons need to provide contraception too? It enters into the realm of ridiculousness that anyone thinks a male bodied person should be incarcerated with women.

So is Karen White a woman then Caligula?

I said no. Sorry, there are too many people talking at me on this thread. I'm going to leave it for now.

What is a transwoman @CaligulaBlushed? Where's the line for you?

As for saying it's different after an operation - why would a rapist without a penis be any less dangerous to women? Rape isn't always or even usually about sexual desire is it, it's about power as much as anything else.

Why is actual PIV assault the only one that raises eyebrows?

You know a lot of them are just as physically incapable of rape as natal women don't you?

You don’t need to keep saying natal women, women covers it just fine.

One more time, the loopholes in a system which panders to TRAs and is open to abuse by perverts and such is not only an enormous and very real risk to women, it’s making sure there will be no safe spaces for women. Ever.

So no refuges, no DV safe houses, no prisons where they aren’t being raped and assaulted by someone with a penis. No gynae wards, no labour wards.

And you think this is a good idea because what about the poor men?

Jesus wept.

Transwomen are men Caligula. I have no objection to those who would be considered at risk in a male prison to be segregated for their comfort and safety. But that doesn't mean they should be locked up with women.

Isn't the logical end point of that to not segregate prisons by sex at all then?

Yes, all these arguments about how the nice, non-violent transwomen (of which of course there are many!) can be treated as women, but not the nasty ones could easily be applied to men in general as well. It's an argument for mixed sex prisons, but make sure everyone is nice before letting them mix with the other prisoners. It's not actually possible to make sure everyone is nice, though.

Do we have sex-segregated prisons because all men are violent rapists? Or even most men? No, because neither of those things are true. We have sex-segregated prisons because men as a class represent a statistical risk to women as a class. No compelling evidence exists to suggest that men who say they are women do not present the exact same statistical risk as men who say they are men. There's no way to tell who really truly means it and who doesn't, and there's also no reason to believe that even those who really truly mean it are not the same as all other males for the purposes of criminality, statistically speaking. Mixed sex spaces are more dangerous for women than single sex spaces.

What is a good enough reason is their behaviour, like RAPE, which absolutely means they shouldn't live alongside women, whether you think they're actually a woman or not

of course the second time Karen White went to prison he was a rapist, but had not been charged with rape yet

the rape convictions were a result of police investigations after he had sexually assaulted female prisioners

so according to Caligulas argument, he was correctly in women's prison at the point he assaulted those women

You still didn’t answer - I know you think KW is dangerous but if they get a GRC where should they serve their sentence and why? You are refusing to answer because you can’t and maintain your position; either you say the male estate because they are nasty and are a transphobe or you say the female estate and throw women to the wolves.

If 'transwomen are women' why isn't Karen White one Caligula? Why do you get to pick and choose?

And you’re making it about fucking pronouns and rights? Fuck right off.

I haven't mentioned pronouns and rapist rights once, not once. Not one single time have i said anything about pronouns, except to use the word "she" when another posted did. You're trying to make me look like some woke idiot who overlooks the bigger picture to get het-up about the use of pronouns. You really need to meet some trans inclusive women, we're not the super woke numbskulls you seem to think we are.