Ricky Gervais chimes in over Karen White

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Rickeyyy!!!

twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1050707771837026304?s=20

Actually, I'm not sure, on a closer look, that they are.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Low_Newton

It looks as though there was a period during which high risk female prisoners were held in men's prisons, then Low Newton was adapted to become the UK's only high security women's prison.

For me this is a big flaw in the argument. If you succeed in banning trans women from female spaces then trans men will be included in female spaces and I don't see how that accommodates vulnerable women.

Not if you’re advocating for a 3rd space. Which I am, and always have been.

There are no violent females in the male estate. Joanna Dennehy is in isolation. On a female estate.

I say the same to extreme TRAs as I do to extreme feminists. If your cause causes you not to care who else gets hurt you've gone too far.

I really doubt you said that to any TRA. And they didn't call you a [redacted] not sure what terms are appropriate now.
If you think that we are giving you a hard time, I just get they did worse.

Nope BrownPaperTeddy

Still whataboutery. Women say no to sharing with strange penises. Now off you go and find a respectful solution that respects a woman's boundaries and right to say no

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly

I've seen it on a couple of threads. My "threads I'm following" has been cleared since the strange happenings a couple of days ago so I'm not sure that I can find it.

The study was interesting though.

Still whataboutery. Women say no to sharing with strange penises. Now off you go and find a respectful solution that respects a woman's boundaries and right to say no

It isn't whataboutery.

There are 2 aspects to this situation - trans men and trans women.

I am assuming that whatever is decided about 1 will also apply to the other.

So if you campaign for trans women to be housed in male prisons because they were born male then a natural consequence will be that trans men will be housed in female prisons.

I don't see that a vulnerable female prisoner, who for whatever reason feels unable to be in close proximity to a man, will feel comfortable sharing a cell with a person that looms exactly like a man but just doesn't have a penis.

I think just be careful what you argue for.

The rule needs to be if born male you are incarcerated in the male estate.

In exactly which prison is Dennehy incarcerated?

But how would female prisoners feel about sharing a cell with someone that looked, and possibly acted, like a man but who you would all consider to be a woman?

This sort of statement fucks me right off. Proponents of transgenderism actually have the blasted cheek to use transgenderism and the disadvantages it gives women, as a gotcha for women.

It's unbelievable.

Women trying to escape a shit situation as a woman, used to further criticise women.

Just fuck off.

I'm allergic to cats.

Am I going to be allergic to someone who's had extensive surgery to have some cat like features added to their body and enjoys hunting mice and purring?

I think just be careful what you argue for

You’re saying that to us? Why not say it to the ones who argued for this shit in the first place and caused all this???

ITS NOT OUR MESS, AND NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX IT.

As agreed earlier BrownPaperTeddy a third and separate accommodation may be needed for transgender inmates.

HMP Bronzefield.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/serial-killer-joanna-dennehy-plotted-to-escape-jail-by-using-the-severed-fingers-of-guards-to-open-a7051641.html

HMP Bronzefield where Dennehy is

Obviously Dennehy is a risk to men.

But how would female prisoners feel about sharing a cell with someone that looked, and possibly acted, like a man but who you would all consider to be a woman?

Just. Piss. Off. What you have written is homophobic. It's hatred and it's vile.

ITS NOT OUR MESS, AND NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX IT.

Then why not just argue for a 3rd prison space for all trans gender prisoners?

If you just argue that prisoners be housed with their birth sex then I think it will end up with some vulnerable female prisoners sharing cells with people that look very much like men but who were born female.

Then why not just argue for a 3rd prison space for all trans gender prisoners?

Er I have been, repeatedly. Try reading my posts.

If you just argue that prisoners be housed with their birth sex then I think it will end up with some vulnerable female prisoners sharing cells with people that look very much like men but who were born female.

I haven’t

Just. Piss. Off. What you have written is homophobic. It's hatred and it's vile.

How on earth is it homophobic?

So you can all post about trans women - so people that were born male but have since transitioned but if I pose a question about people born female but have transitioned I'm being homophobic?

Seriously explain how.

So? They are female and if this self ID nonsense is knocked on the head then everyone in the women’s prison will know they are a woman, however they present.

And I bet any ‘transman’s’ ‘dysphoria gets knocked on the head smartish if they realise they’ll be facing time in a men’s prison. Bet they’re not quite so keen to identify as a man then.

Men who use prostitutes care not a shit about what state that prostitute is in so long as they are exactly what they asked for; usually young looking and young adult female, i.e. girl.

I understand where you’re coming from brownpaperteddy. If there was a transman in a women’s prison who sported a beard and was very muscular due to hormones etc it probably would be traumatising to women who would be traumatised by men. I don’t understand why this would be homophobia?

But I think third spaces would solve it.

YeTalkShiteHen

I have read your posts. I know that is what you have said but not everyone is saying that.

I do think a 3rd space is the only option to balance all needs.

Then we agree on something Brown