Completed the consultation- have YOU?

[poshme]

I have just completed the online consultation.

Thank you to fairplayforwomen for the helpful guidance.

Once I got going I typed rather a lot!

It didn't take too long.

THERES ONLY A WEEK LEFT!!!

Do it today.

(Sorry can't link as I'm on my phone which keeps playing up!

YES! Tick. Done. DH is doing his tonight.

done it; not very clear on all the arguments but hoping that the fact that there's another voice will help.

thanks to all the regular posters for the education.

Just did mine.

Without meaning to brag, I'm legally trained and have very good comprehension skills. But I found it horribly complex and confusing. I'm not surprised some people have been put off from even attempting it (and 25 sodding pages to click through!)

The FPFW guide was invaluable. I doubt I'd have stuck with it without that to assist me

Just wondering what I can do next!

That did sound boastful, sorry

That did sound boastful, sorry

No, it didn't - it reads like a realistic appraisal of what is involved in the turgid and impenetrable wording of the original consultation even for someone accustomed to reading legal documents.

Rattlebag I am glad you said that because I found it very hard to understand and it made me feel stupid, which is why I gave up.

I had a second go and have submitted something (with ), I don't know how coherent it was but never mind.

The number of questions was quite intimidating, along with the number of linked documents you were supposed to read, and the way questions were phrased. It felt like it was aimed at experts in the field rather than ordinary people who aren't familiar with the terminology.

No, it didn't sound boastful at all.

Done.

This has been mentioned on another thread, but there is a one-click consulation submission process on the FPFW site:

fairplayforwomen.com/email/?nonamp=1#wpforms-17854

You just need to fill in your details and then the rest of the work is done for you (on the more salient questions at least).

I’m doing mine tomorrow. Everyone is off out so I’ll have peace and quiet for a bit.

Does anyone know what happens next?
Someone obviously has to read every single reply, have they set a date for analysis of the data, Will it be published?

Yes. It wasn’t easy. And I have sent the link to the email version from FPFW to a few other people.

Yes. Done it and spread the word. Is it true only 6000 people have responded fed so far? can't remember where I read that !? 🤔

People or responses? (Suspicious)

I've done it and so has my daughter. It wasn't fun to complete as some of the questions are quite difficult to understand, but the WPUK guidance is great.

Done mine and sent the FPFW links to all the women I work with (head above the parapet there, bit scary) & family.

Also donated to FPFW and set up a DD to SFW after last night's frolics

Yes apparently only 6,000 responses so far

I'm doing it in chunks this weekend.

This by TheRattleBag is very similar to me:

Just did mine.

Without meaning to brag, I'm legally trained and have very good comprehension skills. But I found it horribly complex and confusing. I'm not surprised some people have been put off from even attempting it (and 25 sodding pages to click through!)

I used FPFW's very good comprehensive guidance for my submission but it still took me hours. I'm using the short-form version to tempt others to make theirs. One success so far, one person is a maybe, one I'm going to tackle this afternoon, and another this afternoon who is woke but you never know.

Had to save, halfway there, will tackle the rest tomorrow. Do NOT attempt to do this with toddlers about 🧠🔨🔨🔨

First time I've responded to a Govt consultation in a private capacity, so I'm used to wading through these types of papers but goodness that was tough, glad I did it though.

Here's something interesting I got from twitter:

twitter.com/zeno001/status/1051193966237011973

TLDR:

To include in your submission: "This consultation appears to be in breach of the first and second Gunning Principles".

The reason: to get the message across that they're at risk of being challenged with a rather awkward judicial review.

Here are the first and second Gunning principles:

The Gunning Principles

Before 1985 there was little consideration given to consultations until a landmark case in that year (R v London Borough of Brent ex parte Gunning). This case sparked the need for change in the process of consultations when Stephen Sedley QC proposed a set of principles that were then adopted by the presiding judge. These principles, known as Gunning or Sedley, were later confirmed by the Court of Appeal in 2001 (Coughlan case) and are now applicable to all public consultations that take place in the UK.

1. When proposals are still at a formative stage

Public bodies need to have an open mind during a consultation and not already made the decision, but have some ideas about the proposals. [Note Mordaunt's reported but not verified comment "Trans women are women, that is the starting point for this consultation"]

1. Sufficient reasons for proposals to permit ‘intelligent consideration'

People involved in the consultation need to have enough information to make an intelligent choice and input in the process. Equality Assessments should take place at the beginning of the consultation and published alongside the document. [No one knows about the consultation, people with all manner of education struggle with it, the whole thing has been assessment-averse.]

womansplaceuk.org/wpuk-guidance-on-gra-consultation/

if you want guidance on filling in the consulation and you can't get the FPFW link to work, here is and alternative

do it tonight- you know you want to

Yes. Under comments I asked them to make the discussion more public as changing the meaning of male and female is pretty fundamental.

Done - and my husband did too. In comments I wrote that I was concerned with the fudging together of the words Sex and Gender since Sex is a biological fact and Gender a matter of opinion. I did feel very strongly that it was cleverly worded, in fact I believe that they will be able to say something like “the vast majority of our respondents felt that there are no issues”

What did people put about the 'non-binary' question? That was the only place where I went into what 'gender' actually means.

I'm wading through it now. I have the FPFW booklet beside me, but it is still exhausting. And I'm not sure how coherent I'm being.

I've saved my work so far and am having a chocolate break before I go back in.