Womxn controversy on Newsnight

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Watching BBC 2 right now.
Looks like it will come up later in the programme.

If any of these myopic children ever travel outside of the Eurozone or the US think how shocked they'll be to discover that in the rest of the world pretty much all feminism is radical feminism.

Numpty mine is getting very angry too. I've told him we need men to start doing something. Unfortunately women don't get listened to enough, so it's up to men to bloody well get on board and start shouting about this.

That's fine they can have trxns womxn - I'll keep the original spelling.

Additionally Maya Angelou and black critics writing about her and Alice Walker use womyn frequently and women/woman even more so I'm utterly unconvinced by the appallingly racist argument that either women or womnyn excludes black women. They include all forms of women they just exclude men NOT types of biological women.

Alice Walker is a woman.

Sophie Cook is a ...

There is a lot of resentment towards "feminist overreach," which has been mainly driven by liberal feminists. If the public understands that many on the gender-critical side are just ordinary women trying to have a voice, then we stand a better chance. That's why Posie is so powerful.
This. Which is why, on this subject, party politics should be avoided also.

I would imagine they are pretending the metro ad doesn't exist. Or at least the smart ones are.

Pink News didn't get the memo...

Rather proves my point.

As much as I get annoyed with the "bloody feminists" comments, if your only exposure to feminism had been liberal feminist stuff about sex work being work (including referring to trafficked children as "sex workers"), "microagressions", and "empower yourself by taking pole dancing classes" stuff then I can see how you might wonder why the focus wasn't on something a bit more important.

It is, and the campaign against self-ID is an excellent example of that.

If any of these myopic children ever travel outside of the Eurozone or the US think how shocked they'll be to discover that in the rest of the world pretty much all feminism is radical feminism.

This

Cwenthryth,

what I meant was that Sophie Cook, a white middle aged overweight bloke wearing a dress and without obvious skills might find it difficult to get a job, say at his local garage. I am sure there are societal prejudices about men openly wearing dresses, and that is what trans-women will be seen as by many men. The same applies to Aimee Challenor, who appear to have very little education, and to Lily Maddigan.

However there is an whole diversity industry which they can tap into. The BBC, Stonewall, Labour Party and others all seem to have a need to demonstrate their wokeness by having a token trans - even when they don't feel a need to have a token woman, or racial minority.

DH works for a properly woke organisation. Lots of time and money are being spent on ensuring that trans people are not disadvantaged or isolated. Which generally involves work for transpeople in training or consultancy.

Yes, worth remembering that the backlash against Feminism that is behind the idea of a 'feminist over-reach' is based on an understanding libfem ideas. That's certainly what I thought I was fighting against when I was involved with Ladies Against Feminism.

I've taken to pointing out to a lot of my conservative contacts who trot out 'Well, the feminists have got what they want' etc. that there are a lot of feminists objecting to this nonsense, and telling them why.

This is one of the reasons partisan purity politics are so dangerous, because misunderstandings are never able to be answered and people just get more and more entrenched in their errors.

Yes, worth remembering that the backlash against Feminism that is behind the idea of a 'feminist over-reach' is based on an understanding libfem ideas.

Very much so. And very much tied into general woke authoritarianism.

I'm loving Twitter on this. Someone said "What about German? Is it Frxu or Frax?"

I don’t watch Newsnight any more. The presenters are so full of their own importance, but they can never get anyone good or relevant to come on, and what issues they do cover, they present with such bias. The last time I watched it was (I think) a year or more ago when they had a ‘discussion’ about poor menz being afraid to talk to wimmenz in case they got accused of harassment. The women on the panel barely got a word in because of the men talking over them. One or two tried to say it’s about women’s safety, not your offended feelings, and that the whole point was being spectacularly missed, but no joy.

After that I decided Newsnight was not good for my well-being.

I think there is an argument for saying that black women felt pushed out or ignored by 1970's feminism (especially in the US). But I don't believe I ever came across, during my study of feminism and civil rights, that black women were ever considered as non-women by anyone other than racists. But they may not have felt included by the term womyn as used by radical feminists during that period.

I also think that feminism quickly embraced all women as it evolved during the 1980s and onwards.

I'm not black - so I am more than willing to be put right on this.

Can't see if anyone's linked to this little bit on page 3 of today's DM.

It's very good.

(Have to do two posts as can't attach all 4 photos to one)

...hopefully they're in order...!!

Next two...

Can someone explain the womxn/womyn thing to me? Why is it more inclusive?

It is because it means it doesn't have 'men' in it?

Why is it more inclusive?

It's not, it's a way of removing the word woman.

I am appalled that this is the best that the BBC can do. 10 days before the consultation closes. This has really opened my eyes as to how biased the BBC can be

On a positive note, how many people are now waking up to the TW agenda being driven by (white) men, thanks to Newsnight? And thanks to this, I have made my first complaint to the BBC

I've stewed and muttered and finally got off my backside and complained to the BBC. Had enough.

Sorry - being driven by a minority of (white) men.

Yep. It just replaces woman/women and makes room for anyone else to join in the action. If your’e a news night presenter (Mark Urban was it?) then of course it’s all terribly complicated. And you have to dip your head coyly, put you’re hand up to your heart and look to your interviewee at this point for help and guidance.
I can’t stand Paxman but I’d love to have wheeled him out at this point.

womxn?

fxcks sakes. that can get in the fxcking bin.

womyn? womxyzn? wimmxlshdicnwkshdn? FXCK OFF

Black women do definitely sometimes feel unrepresented by western feminism. We have had amazing threads about it before. We need @quencher.
However I don't think changing the nane if women is going to do anything to address those issues and I have never heard anyone apart from Cook suggest it will.
It's appropriative and patronising on the part of the TRAs

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