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PerverseConverse · 07/10/2018 09:38

I've been on this board for a while now and long enough to understand the issues and why women are so vocal about them and angry that our rights are threatened.
I'm frustrated reading on other threads, or on social media that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority. I can't say that I've seen that myself. All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.
I'm still new to feminism and learning daily but I see women fighting for other women and prepared to get flak for that. I see some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general. And that's the other criticism: that we are too focused on the trans issue. That makes me angry. The trans issue is the major one affecting women and girls at the moment and it's right that we are focused on it.
These complaints are coming from women who are calling themselves feminists and it baffles me completely that feminists can't understand the biggest threat to women and girls.
Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls but I don't think they all are. How can some feminists be so opposed to other feminists passionately protecting their rights? Rights that are for ALL women.

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/10/2018 20:04

I actually find FWR much gentler than AIBU, for example

At least the criticism is usually better informed and less personal - there are routinely disgraceful personal criticisms and judgey pants on AIBU.
When I'm feeling fragile, I certainly don't go near that board

VerbeenaBeeks · 07/10/2018 20:05

Women have been called transphobic on this thread as we are on most other trans threads at some point.

You have said you'll never see any of them as women. What's that then if you say it's not transphobia?

PersonWithAVulva · 07/10/2018 20:05

I read that comment as not insulting any particular person, just expressing frustration that very little satisfies TRAs and that they expect total capitulation.

Ah possibly. I read it as calling the person who was saying that posters are anti trans rather than pro woman, a handmaiden, or a TRA. Or maybe both. But if it was meant to eb a reply to that poster, it was in reply to an insult. So whats being said, is that posters should be allowed to insult FWR posters, but FWR posters are not allowed to reply to the insult. Of course.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 07/10/2018 20:06

I actually find FWR much gentler than AIBU, for example

Christ yes!!

littlbrowndog · 07/10/2018 20:06

So what is it you actually want brown paper
You been banging on for hours and am still haven’t a scooby what it is you want ?

littlbrowndog · 07/10/2018 20:07

Oh an£ you verbena what is it you want

Ereshkigal · 07/10/2018 20:07

You have said you'll never see any of them as women. What's that then if you say it's not transphobia?

Gender atheism? They are male. That is a fact.

OunceOfFlounce · 07/10/2018 20:07

Sorry, still laughing at:

BrownPaperTeddy: 'But I don't want to post on the feminist boards'.

What have you spent your entire Sunday doing!? What is going on with you!? So, so baffling.

BrownPaperTeddy · 07/10/2018 20:08

pennydrew

And this thread, as annoying as it has been, hasn't descended to the levels that we are talking about.

other women should instinctly know what issues you think are worthwhile and should know how much they can discuss self ID without over stepping and putting people off.

And I don't expect anyone to do anything on my say so. But I know that I have avoided the feminism board of late and then over the weekend other threads have been started saying the same thing with lots of posters saying what I am saying.

It's not just us on here saying it. There are lots of MN staying away and therefore missing out on the very real issues.

pennydrew · 07/10/2018 20:08

VerbeenaBeeks
There's a certain poster on here doing a sterling job of showing exactly what the problem is

See now, you’re complaining of the bullying or insults, yet I find this kind of comment, and all the ‘hive minds’ comments etc from you on this to be deliberately insulting. So you’re really incredibly hypocritical to continue to make these sorts of intentionally insulting and goady comments while spending all day tone policing and complaining about others.

PersonWithAVulva · 07/10/2018 20:08

Why do you assume that anyone was calked transphobic though?

I was talking about the screenshot that was posted, where the poster was replying to

'I think some are anti trans rather than pro woman'

waterlego6064 · 07/10/2018 20:08

It isn’t transphobic because it isn’t an irrational hatred of a group for reasons of prejudice or ignorance.

It is not a phobia or a hatred. It is a perfectly reasonable belief. I also have a belief that there is no God. Am I being deiphobic? theophobic? Do I hate Christians? Muslims? Jews? No, of course not. I am expressing a valid and reasonable viewpoint.

waterlego6064 · 07/10/2018 20:09

Theiphobic? Religiophobic? Faithophobic?

littlbrowndog · 07/10/2018 20:09

Ffs what do the both of you want ??

PersonWithAVulva · 07/10/2018 20:10

You have said you'll never see any of them as women. What's that then if you say it's not transphobia?

And this is why you are asked for your definition of women. if you think transwomen are women (at what stage in transition..also?) then of course your definition of woman is not adult human female. If your definition of woman is adult human female like most of the world, then of course transwomen are not women. They are transwomen. And male.

BrownPaperTeddy · 07/10/2018 20:10

littlbrowndog

We answered that pages back.

littlbrowndog · 07/10/2018 20:12

You never. You just keep banging on round in circles

Bowlofbabelfish · 07/10/2018 20:13

What's that then if you say it's not transphobia?

Biology?

Do you think humans can change sex then? How?

BrownPaperTeddy · 07/10/2018 20:13

They are transwomen. And male.
And I just find that unnecessary. If you need to differentiate that I personally think transwoman is enough.

pennydrew · 07/10/2018 20:14

BrownPaperTeddy

Again, if you’re so concerned about people staying away, create your own conversations. We are not going to change what we discuss here because you tell us it’s not what you want to discuss or others aren’t coming here for whatever reason... it’s kind of pointless all this tbh We aren’t providing a service here. We are starting discussions on what we are concerned about and are under absolutely no obligation to make this an interesting/more varied/more friendly space for others. Do it yourselves! I’ve never heard anything so ridiculous. You’re just moaning about what other women are doing with their time! We can do whatever we want and we aren’t that interested in what others think we should or shouldn’t be doing! Why are we still discussing this ridiculous point 💁🏽‍♀️

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PerverseConverse · 07/10/2018 20:14

BrownPaperTeddy I believe it was you at 09:46 that made the first reference to the trans issue/debate/threads.

*There is no discussion though.

Anyone that disagrees will very quickly have their points dismissed by being called a handmaiden, a troll or a man.

That's it. Their opinion is shut down and dismissed.

If that is what you call a discussion then that answers your question as to why people are saying what they are saying on other boards.*

The thread you are referring to above was my thread from about 10 days ago. I can't remember exactly when but I remember your questions requesting clarification on things and posters very eloquently answered. Some more robustly than others, but generally you received polite replies from what I read. I don't recall you being accused of being anything but there were posters accusing the more radical amongst us of being transphobic and exclusive. I asked IF one particularly argumentative poster was a man or a handmaiden because they centred men rather than women. I didn't call them anything at all.

I am baffled as to why you keep reading and keep posting when you have made it clear this board is not for you. That's fine, you don't have to contribute. However if you want to start your own threads on feminism issues that do interest you or affect you then nothing is stopping you. I'd love to have some different threads to read and get involved in. I gravitate towards the trans threads because it's something I'm passionately against (self ID that is) and am experiencing the implications of the trans trend in schools with my year 7 daughter who refuses to use the toilets because there's boys in there.

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R0wantrees · 07/10/2018 20:14

And I just find that unnecessary. If you need to differentiate that I personally think transwoman is enough.

and that is your opinion.

pennydrew · 07/10/2018 20:15

And I just find that unnecessary. If you need to differentiate that I personally think transwoman is enough

STOP TELLING OTHERS WHAT TO SAY!

they are Male. It’s factual. We are allowed to be factual.

BrownPaperTeddy · 07/10/2018 20:15

littlbrowndog

Yes we did. Sorry if you can't find it, but we did.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 07/10/2018 20:15

littl

I don't remember seeing it either...just in case you thought it was just you Smile

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