Ruth Hunt & Stonewall, "do not and will not acknowledge that there is a conflict between trans rights and ‘sex based women’s rights’

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Response to petition,
www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

Since the planned reform of the Gender Recognition Act was announced a year ago, there have been daily articles and social media threads that question trans people’s right to exist, trying to undermine their ability to go about their daily lives free from fear and abuse. This week, a petition has been launched directly asking Stonewall to reconsider our work on trans equality.
The petition asks us to acknowledge that there are a range of viewpoints around sex and gender. Of course we know that these differing views exist, and have existed for many years. The petition also asks us to acknowledge that there is a conflict between trans rights and ‘sex based women’s rights’. We do not and will not acknowledge this. Doing so would imply that we do not believe that trans people deserve the same rights as others. However, we are unequivocal in our support of trans people’s – and everyone’s – right to equality and will remain so. Our motto is ‘acceptance without exception’. (continues)

www.stonewall.org.uk/stonewall-stories-category/come-out-lgbt/our-work-trans-equality-heart-our-mission-acceptance

current threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/3384045-Petition-to-Stonewall

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384407-Times-letter-petition-STONEWALL-CRITICISED-undermining-women-s-sex-based-rights-and-protections-Jonny-Best-et-al

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384307-James-Kirkup-Spectator-lead-article-Trans-rights-have-gone-wrong-The-new-gender-orthodoxy-allows-no-room-for-dissent

Penny Mordant MP Minister for Women & Equalities at Conservative Conference Stonewall reception this week.

trans people deserve the same rights as others

And they have them.

The have the same rights as "others". They just don't have rights afforded to people of a different sex.

I don't have the right to park in a blue badge disabled bay. Are disabled people denying my "right to exist"?

IT'S ALL FUCKING NONSENSE.

What about women Penny? Who is hating the trans community (and define this anyway)? Men? Who is threatening GC folks, - er men. What do the vast majority of self-stated m2f transfolk have that only men have (go on guess).

I don't think she is very bright. Or they are holding her cat to ransom.

Agree - no one is arguing about anyone’s ‘right to exist’ FFS. Total lie. Stonewall have just basically outright said they don’t give a stuff about women and girls - lesbians and bisexual women are women and girls, idiots. Alright. Makes you pretty irrelevant as anything other than a mouthpiece of anti-woman trans activism though.

I would dearly love to talk face to face with her because this is not a position that can be maintained logically at all.

So no conflict? (No!)
Do you believe twaw? (Yes!)
Why do you believe that? Do you believe humans can change sex? (Ummmm... )

There is not a single person who wiklstand up and say they believe humans can change sex. Because they know it’s ridiculous. And yet the entire argument is predicated on this - that there is no biological difference between women and transwomen.

Any one of us could have such a conversation with her and by such simple, fundamental questions we could expose the utter lack of logical consistency

And we know that. And yet the position is stil twaw, shut up women, this is happening.

For that to be the case, I can only conclude that those in power pushing this are either;

Monumentally thick
Religious in their belief
Actively pushing this

I do not for a second believe any MP is option 1.

there have been daily articles and social media threads that question trans people’s right to exist, trying to undermine their ability to go about their daily lives free from fear and abuse.
Is she saying concerned feminists and their supporters are actively denying the existence of trans people, threatening them physically and and abusing them? Perhaps one of her allies who regularly post on here could link to some evidence of this.
Otherwise you could say that Ruth Hunt is a cold blooded liar.

I don't think she is very bright. Or they are holding her cat to ransom.

On you tube the other night, I was searching for transpeople condemning underage transition, I came across Blaire White ranting that many (I presume right wing) show hosts she's been invited to, don't actually believe what they say, but try to design/follow a script that they think will increase their popularity among viewers, or revenue or so.

Maybe it is the same for Ruth Hunt, and that is all there is to it.

Acceptance without exception - this is what Ruth Hunt is promoting. Fuck safeguarding eh?

Not surprised by this. She is never going to budge a millimetre on this issue, she knows what pays the bills.

Whether or not Ruth Hunt acknowledges the existence of the sex-based exemption in the Equality Act 2010, and our safeguarding legislation to protect children from abuse, is beside the point.

Those laws don't stop being real because her organisation promotes their infringement. Stonewall is bound by the rule of law as much as any other charity or public body.

It's troubling that Hunt should take that line late in the day, i.e. women and children don't matter, all that matters is that the whole society validates some men's disordered sexual identities.

Will the EHRC and the Charity Commission be stepping in any time soon? Or are women volunteers going to have to prosecute what they ought - by now, when everyone can see what's afoot - to be doing on our behalf?

She must go. It's outrageous that she's still in leadership now that the wheels are so visibly coming off the trans wagon.

If Stonewall are discredited, who stands up for gay rights in the UK?

Haven't we gone beyond that though? We have gay marriage, employment rights discrimination rights...

Denying safeguarding for woman and children is not a good look Ruth. I suspect you have shot yourself, and stonewall in the foot there.

Does anyone else think that Ruth may have shown that trans activists' potentially had a hand in that recent poll from an "unbiased" source?

A recent poll by the Thomson Reuters Foundation asked 1,000 women in Cairo, London, Mexico City, New York and Tokyo: "Should transgender women have the same rights as other women?" Women across the world overwhelmingly agreed, including 87% of women in London (and New York).

IIRC, that poll was 1000 women, TOTAL. Which implies 200 women in London.

This petition has almost 3000 signatures in less than 24 hours, and over 600 comments.

So....

We need to have this discussion.
Stonewall, we are going to keep talking about this, with or without you.
Get over it.

If Stonewall are discredited, who stands up for gay rights in the UK?

The sole reason they embraced the trans issue is that they achieved the final step for gay rights - equal marriage rights.

As one of the gays, I can honestly say that Stonewall don't speak for me in any sense now - the law protects my existing rights. Ironically, Stonewall are actively throwing my (how to describe this?) 'social' rights as a gay woman in the bin by championing the right of men to 'stamp' on women.

I find 'Acceptance without Exception' really inappropriate.

This.

‘Social media threads that question trans people’s right to exist’.

Wasn’t us suggesting gulags

It's a pitiful response, but a useful one. Stonewall have discredited themselves very publicly.

The voices now speaking up against them are extremely well respected. Ruth Hunt refusing to engage with them, while standing side by side with a rapists and paedophiles (not exclusively, obvs) begins to look less like a figure of moral and political integrity and more like an intransigent extremist. The bit about daily articles denying transpeople the right to exist makes her sound like some bonkers conspiracy theorist.

Hopefully more people will have the courage to speak up now, and light will continue to be shone on the false claims and fake stats.

How awful for Ruth, to know she will be remembered as the woman who stood against women, who stood against safeguarding of women and children, who took the side of male bullies at the helm of what has become a toxic, misogynistic, homophobic brand on her watch.

She won’t see it that way. She will have convinced herself she is leading some kind of brave and noble crusade against evil right wing bigots. She is so sadly deluded.

We need to get the image of the Stonewall umbrella out there in the press and underneath it their words;

Acceptance without exception.

Fingers in ears "la la la I'm not listening and you can't make me"

The 'questioning' is the right for a person with a male body who 'feels like' (what does that even mean?) a woman can be legally called and documented as one, thereby gaining access to women only shortlists, facilities,refuges, medical spaces...

Its not a 'right to exist' - its a does it exist? I can petition for the right of actual fire-breathing salamanders to be recognised by the Kennel Club but it wont make them real (or a dog).

Ruth Hunt, you are like my 10 year old in one of his evil despotic tantrum strops, but at least he has the insight To recognise his behaviour is unacceptable, and the humility to say sorry afterwards.

Soz for the stray caps. Can’t change it for some reason.

Wow. What a shower o’cunts.

My sympathy is mostly with lesbians who are being abandoned in such a shocking way by an organisation which should be helping to protect and celebrate them. 😔

If Stonewall are discredited, who stands up for gay rights in the UK?

We're long since the point where nobody standing up for gay rights is better than Stonewall trampling all over them.