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James Kirkup,Spectator lead article, 'Trans rights have gone wrong. The new gender orthodoxy allows no room for dissent'

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R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 08:41

This is a really comprehensive article and really must be read in full:

James Kirkup concludes:
"All raise serious issues of public policy, yet politicians are silent, fearful of questioning the trans-rights advocates and the consequences of their orthodoxy. Sometimes with good reason, too. Those MPs, mostly women, who have tried to debate this issue have been showered with online hatred. I’ve stopped counting the politicians, cabinet ministers among them, who tell me privately they worry about the trans agenda but won’t say so publicly

That silence troubles me. I am no social conservative, no culture warrior defending ‘traditional’ values. My interest here is fear of political failure, of what happens when sensible politicians fail to do their job by weighing evidence and reconciling conflicting interests. The failure leaves the trans debate dominated by shrill and aggressive groups intent on eliminating inconvenient evidence and dissenting views.

Failing to debate trans issues on the facts also creates the conditions for deliberate and harmful populism. Rows about trans people in bathrooms are a staple of America’s culture wars. The current vacuum of leadership on the issue means Britain could easily go the same way, if a politician on the make decided to make trouble. That would benefit no one, least of all transgender people, who deserve to live their lives with the same ordinary dignity as anyone else.

That’s not all that’s at stake. Trans-genderism is the perfect ideology for the on-demand internet age. It gives unquestioned primacy to ‘lived experience’, elevates emotion above evidence and convicts — after instant trial by social media — any scrutiny or doubt of that most heinous contemporary crime, intolerance. It chills debate and stifles critical thinking.

Should policies and laws be made on the basis of facts and evidence, or feelings and demands? You might not think so today, but the way our political system responds to the transgender rights movement will matter to everyone."
www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/trans-rights-have-gone-wrong/

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Redkeyboard · 04/10/2018 08:45

Thanks Rowan. Looks like this is the cover story in the print edition which should be out today. I am off to buy a copy.

ILuvBirdsEye · 04/10/2018 08:49

I'll have a look for it too. Maybe buy some extra copies to leave around

Redkeyboard · 04/10/2018 08:50

Failing to debate trans issues on the facts also creates the conditions for deliberate and harmful populism.

This is such an important point and one of the reasons the Stonewall petition and the type of pro-Human rights key signatories who have signed is really good and really important.

Cuntysnark · 04/10/2018 08:56

I shall purchase too

Juells · 04/10/2018 08:59

He puts things so succinctly, it's brilliant.

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/10/2018 09:00

This is a superb article that sets the issues out very clearly. I'll be sending it to everyone I can think of, along with a link to the Stonewall petition and the GRA consultation.

Thank you once again James Kirkup.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 04/10/2018 09:01

Excellent article by James Kirkup, as always. Thanks for sharing this.

KennDodd · 04/10/2018 09:06

What does Stonewall's petition ask for?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/10/2018 09:07

Off to buy a copy. Or maybe two so I can leave one lying around.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/10/2018 09:09

There's a thread on the Stonewall petition. It's asking Stonewall to reconsider its approach and stop fucking over lesbians and gays.

heresyandwitchcraft · 04/10/2018 09:09

Thank God for James Kirkup. Excellent piece, as always.
I shall also be purchasing the Spectator today Smile.

LangCleg · 04/10/2018 09:13

Failing to debate trans issues on the facts also creates the conditions for deliberate and harmful populism.

Exactly. Including the kind of backlash populism that will take out transsexuals and any prospect of increased social acceptance, but also give a good kicking to all "professional victim" groups as this kind of populism likes to call them.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/10/2018 09:14

How interesting. I just Googled the Spectator's print circulation figures because I was wondering how much difference mners can actually make and it seems they are growing around 8% a year, the only magazine of its type to be in that position.

LangCleg · 04/10/2018 09:16

Glad to see James begin to introduce safeguarding specifics into his writing, including informing parents in the first paragraph.

James: I know it's quite niche to get these details in, but next time could you try to mention other safeguarding loopholes in trans lobby guidance for minors - confidential disclosures especially. These put the very children (those who may be trans) these groups are advocating for at significant risk of abuser infiltration.

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 09:17

There's a thread on the Stonewall petition. It's asking Stonewall to reconsider its approach and stop fucking over lesbians and gays.
Petition:
www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach
Times Letter:
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/second-referendum-and-the-brexit-deadlock-qzr5qllkh
Times article:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-backing-transgender-bullies-slvn00vng

MN thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384045-Petition-to-Stonewall

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BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 04/10/2018 09:18

Great article, thank you.

NoSquirrels · 04/10/2018 09:20

I think his articles are so clear-sighted. Thank you, James Kirkuk and The Spectator. This is the heart of the issue - politicians must represent the public and understand and debate the implications of laws based on facts, not feelings.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/10/2018 09:21

yes, if it's the cover story of the print edition i'll get myself down to WH Smiths later

Flowers James, as always

Lucy Bannerman, Janice Turner, James Kirkup, Hadley Freeman, Sanchez Manning

courageous and tenacious journalists

Callmejudith · 04/10/2018 09:21

He is brilliant. Off to buy a copy.

Redkeyboard · 04/10/2018 09:22

Julie Bindel, Sarah Ditum, Helen Lewis, Andrew Gilligan

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/10/2018 09:24

Oh yes, how could I forget them Red

we are not alone

in fact we're in pretty good company

WokerThanWoke · 04/10/2018 09:27

Looking forward to my copy arriving in the post now. Subscribed because of James Kirkup and the freedom to express things.

Datun · 04/10/2018 09:32

Excellent. He totally gets it.

No hyperbole. Just facts and obvious conclusions.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 04/10/2018 09:35

Off to buy several copies and then leave them in public spaces! Thank you Soectator and James.

Redkeyboard · 04/10/2018 09:40

in fact we're in pretty good company

Yes, and an increasing number of decent people are speaking up publicly - see Stonewall petition signatories for eg

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