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Stop Funding Hate has joined forces with Mermaids

123 replies

GColdtimer · 03/10/2018 12:42

To produce a video to spread the love instead of the hate.

I have messaged and commented on their page. I have so much respect for this organisation I am deeply disappointed.

www.facebook.com/stopfundinghate/

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UpstartCrow · 03/10/2018 12:45

Yeah they lost me on this one.

R0wantrees · 03/10/2018 13:10

1/5/2018 James Kirkup
(extract)
"The other column that [Stephen Doughty MP] was so interested in also concerned children. In particular, he was struck by the Times’ headline using the phrase “trans lobby”. This, for reference, was on a column that argued that a number of changes in policy and convention are being made at the urging of groups advocating things that they say would benefit transgender people which, the columnist suggested, were not in the best interests of children. “You will understand why that is a particular concern, given the previous use of “gay lobby”, “Jewish lobby” and all of those sorts of things,” Doughty said. “Do you think the use of the phrase “trans lobby” is an appropriate one?”

As it happens, Dr Carmichael [lead NHS GIDS] in her lecture said some things that seem relevant here:

“Gender has become amazingly topical and we have to be really careful not to assume that anyone is exploring or questioning their gender is going to want to change their bodies in line with that. The extremes on either side are not helpful. We need to look at the grey areas in between. To do that we need to be able to talk and discuss these issues. All too often stakeholders become lobby groups.”

She did not name any stakeholder. But her words might be relevant to a charity called Mermaids. Mermaids is a charity that describes itself as “a support group for children and young people with gender dysphoria and their families”. Its CEO, Susie Green describes herself as “parent to a daughter who was born male.” Mermaids is a relatively small charity (it had income of £127,000 in the year to March 2017) with a big reach. It has prominent backers and its advice and recommendations have been absorbed and adopted by many public bodies.

Some people in the gender debate say harsh and critical things about Mermaids. I am not doing so here. My suggestion is that Green, having had her own family experience of transgender issues, has decided to devote herself to charitable work in the hope of offering what she believes as help to others who need it. The same is true of several others who work or volunteer at Mermaids. Read this for a moving account of how devoted some parents are to Mermaids for their help.

Despite its influence, it is worth noting what Mermaids is not. It is not a research body. Its activities are support (for families) and advocacy: based on its contacts with those families, it argues for what it sees are better policies and practices by the NHS and others. It does not carry out or commission clinical or academic research. Its most recent annual report lists among its charitable activities “campaigning and advocacy” and says: “Mermaids has also become more active in lobbying”.

There is regular dialogue between Mermaids and the GIDS, but the two sides do not always agree. An example is on the time the GIDS team take to give referred children the hormone-blocking drugs that stop their bodies developing the physical characteristics associated with their birth sex.

In evidence to another Commons inquiry in 2015, Mermaids argued that GIDS should make such drugs available much more quickly. The GIDS team has generally resisted that call, more than once saying that “any decision around hormone treatment needs time and considered thought.”

And in evidence to that earlier committee, Dr Bernadette Wren of the GIDS said this:

“I know that Susie and Mermaids would like a fast track so that young people who are already well into puberty and feel that they know that they want to move forward into physical intervention would bypass our assessment process and move straight into physical intervention. We feel that is not an ethical way to practise.”

Here’s another summary. A transgender charity that says it is engaged in lobbying lobbied politicians and doctors to change the way children are treated by doctors. The doctors declined to make that change because it would be not be ethical to do so." (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Mermaids' Trustee reports with Charity Comission confirm that lobbying is now a function of the charity

Trinity1976 · 03/10/2018 13:21

I've also commented and sent them a message. There has been quite a bit of slinging of the word TERF around on their page recently.

Stop Funding Hate recently asked it's followers if they should expand their remit to fighting hate on social media. This means than rather than focusing on poor journalism they would necessarily be attacking the opinions of ordinary people, and then it of course becomes very subjective.

My worry is that they are going to move towards silencing women on social media, a la Aimee Challenor and Dr Adrian Harrop. If they are going to decide that standing up for women's rights is 'transphobic' then any of us could be targets of their next campaign.

They're obviously drunk on the success of their previous campaigns.

GColdtimer · 03/10/2018 16:29

They are quote Pink News as a credible news sources now. I have reported a number of posts slinging "Terf" around and they are still standing.

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GColdtimer · 03/10/2018 16:33

Rowan, did you mean to post that link here or am I missing something. Great thread but doesn't seem to relate to Stop Funding Hate.

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R0wantrees · 03/10/2018 22:15

twofalls
Yes, relates to Mermaids position.

GColdtimer · 03/10/2018 22:39

Got you. Brain not in gear earlier today!

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R0wantrees · 03/10/2018 22:42

Can relate to that! Grin

Trinity1976 · 04/10/2018 11:21

I've made quite a number of posts their page which have been critical of Mermaids, but I haven't posted a single 'transphobic' comment. Stop Funding Hate have now blocked me. So they have gone from being an organisation that was trying to hold news outlets to account for publishing inaccurate articles that demonised certain groups, to one that is actively silencing people who disagree with them on social media.

honestmushroom · 04/10/2018 11:37

Agree with you, Trinity, this is all really weird.

What do we know about Stop Funding Hate, actually? Who are they? Who are they accountable to? Do they have links to other organisations?

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 12:27

Spectator article 'Don’t tell the parents: the official guidance to teachers of ‘trans children’
As in so many progressive ­schooling fads before it, children are the experts and ­teachers are just there to facilitate'
by Madeleine Kearns

concludes:
"What’s worrying is that anyone who challenges the new teaching on trans issues can find themselves in trouble. So when Victoria Atkins, the Minister for Women, admitted to being ‘a little cautious’ about teenage sex-changes, she was accused of bigotry. And Dr Kenneth Zucker, perhaps the leading authority on gender dysphoria in children, was recently ousted from his clinic in Toronto after being accused of ‘transphobia’ and supporting ‘conversion therapy’ because his 40 years’ experience and research had led him to the conclusion that affirming a child’s perceived gender can be counterproductive.

Many of these transgenderism training programmes are publicly funded. Last year, LGBT Youth Scotland received more than £1 million in grants, including £350,000 from the Scottish government, £160,000 from local authorities (all but one SNP-controlled), and £75,000 from Education Scotland. Mermaids UK, meanwhile, was granted £35,000 from the Department for Education and £128,000 from Children in Need.

Something is off here. Teachers are being asked to put ideology before evidence and to exclude parents from serious welfare decisions about their own children. Parents are often not allowed to take part in the discussion. Children are being asked to make important decisions about their gender, which is a surprisingly adult notion for many to grasp. What’s clear is that the issue of gender dysphoria in children is one of tremendous complexity, both medical and moral. To suggest otherwise — to children or teachers — is a dangerous mistake."

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/dont-tell-the-parents-official-guidance-to-teachers-of-trans-children/

PleasingFungusBeetle · 04/10/2018 12:45

Hi,

I'm mostly a lurker on here, but I am sincere and on your side!

I slightly know SFH. They are frightfully nice, rather naive people who have just been listening exclusively to Stonewall et al.

Please, please keep trying to talk to them. I am honestly confident that they will come round eventually when they realise what is going on.

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 12:48

I slightly know SFH. They are frightfully nice, rather naive people who have just been listening exclusively to Stonewall et al.

I think many well meaning individuals, charities and organisations have done this.

Hopefully increasing numbers will feel able to listen to alternative perspectives, critically think and feel able to challenge some of the biased lobbying and propaganda.

UpstartCrow · 04/10/2018 12:48

Its frightening that they are prepared to not listen to women in the first place. I'm sick of having to plead my case, I've had to do it my whole life.

If you ''can't'' see why we need women only hospital wards, psychiatric wards, prisons, Rape Crisis and DV shelters then you must just hate women.

rightreckoner · 04/10/2018 12:49

I always thought SFH were rather silly.

Also it’s easy to target the DM on specific stories and feel righteous about that but they have now set themselves up as the universal arbiters of what’s right and wrong - and frankly they are not. Who are they? Who voted for them? When can we get the grownups back in charge ?

Charliethefeminist · 04/10/2018 12:56

SG no doubt needs massive public validation for what she did to her child. Can you imagine having to live with that. If she stops campaigning, she has to reflect on what she has done.

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 13:06

Current thread, OP *twofalls post includes response:

"I’m writing to let you know that I’ve raised your concerns regarding Mermaids UK, one of the organisations we link to on our Gender and autism page, with a number of teams within the National Autistic Society. In light of the concerns raised in your message, and of other feedback that we have received, we have decided to remove all links to Mermaids UK from our website, while we take the time to consult with relevant professionals and to reconsider which organisations we wish to place links to on our website.

As such, our Web Team are working to remove all links to Mermaids UK from our website as soon as possible. Please do be aware, however, that, as we are currently in the process of updating our website to reflect our new branding and organisational identity, it may take a few days for this to be actioned."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384565-Good-news-from-the-National-Autistic-Society-regarding-Mermaids-Please-help

jgrobinson · 04/10/2018 14:26

Stop Funding Hate is a company:
beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10737024

Anyone know the trustees?

Founded only in April 2017, they have yet to publish accounts.

honestmushroom · 04/10/2018 15:19

All very interesting, thanks for the information.

Just really puzzled - I thought Stop Funding Hate had a point when they pointed out that using Nazi-style language to describe judges ('enemies of the people') was out of order but now they've turned to full-blown activism. Not what I thought their remit was, and wonder why.

GColdtimer · 04/10/2018 16:59

All of my comments and have been deleted and I have been blocked from their page. I can't comment or message them. I wasn't saying anything hateful transphobic, unless of course you count that sex based rights are important and trans women are not women.

FFS. This is the first time I have been silenced and I am so angry.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 04/10/2018 17:33

FFS. This is the first time I have been silenced and I am so angry.

Join the gang. I've been having comments deleted for many years now. The first time it happened was an outrage, and I felt just like you. By now I'm just tired. Very tired.

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/10/2018 18:20

Erm - sorry to point out the obvious, bit too the poster who said they hadn't said anything transphobic if you're saying transitioned transwomen aren't women that IS transphobic and it's not surprising you've been blocked.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/10/2018 18:23

It's biological fact, not phobic in any way at all unless you have a very strange definition of phobia.
Transwomen are biologically men, not women.

GColdtimer · 04/10/2018 18:39

Verbeena please tell me in very straightforward language how that is "transphobic".

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