Stop Funding Hate has joined forces with Mermaids

[GColdtimer]

To produce a video to spread the love instead of the hate.

I have messaged and commented on their page. I have so much respect for this organisation I am deeply disappointed.

www.facebook.com/stopfundinghate/

Bluebells are not bells
Buttercups are not cups
Tulips are not lips.
Snapdragons are not dragons.

Ya get me?

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This is what the Scottish government has identified as transphobic, none of these things are being promoted on this thread. Disagreeing isn't automatically the same as hating. It would seem sensible to save your ire for actual transphobia.

‘Transphobia’ now has so wide a meaning as to not really mean anything at all.

Would a doctor treating a transwoman for a heart attack using the appropriate methods for men be a transphobe?

Verbeena still hasn't been able to say WHAT a woman is, exactly

they are not biological women but they are women
This is the nub of it. So what is a woman then?
If you take any reference to biology out of the meaning of 'woman', then all you have left is a set of gendered stereotypes to define what a woman is.
And that's sexist and offensive, which is why so many of us are pissed off about this.

I’m not shocked to see the question about ‘what is a woman?’ unanswered.

The only answer you ever seem to hear is a woman is someone who identifies as a woman, but that makes no sense. What is the meaning of the thing they are identifying as?

Verbeena before you flounce off with our "there is no point talking to you" antics, could you please define "woman" for me?

I asked that on SFH. They deleted me and grovelled to the bullies.

When someone gives me a clear and concise reason why men who ‘feel’ like they’re not men, are suddenly women. I will continue to ascertain that they are not.

I am all ears. What places these men in the sex category of women? What makes them like me and all other women?

That constitutes hate apparently. That's what SFH told me.

I can say I don’t know what it is I’m supposed to be hating then. I’m not ‘hateful’ I’m just confused. I have absolutely NO idea what the definer for ‘trans woman’ Is or how it in anyway relates to women (much less me)

I don’t ‘hate’ anyone, I don’t want rapists in female prisons but that’s because I don’t ‘hate’ women. I want little girls to be able to go to girl guides without boys around but that’s not because I ‘hate’ boys it’s because I understand how hideous growing up is and want them to feel able to have that environment.

I’m not sure what is hateful about anything I am saying.

What I also don’t understand is why that ^ video doesn’t suggest the issues facing women and girls is wrong, but that it being reported is. Is that not quite hateful?

There's just no actual point, as you are clearly adamant that they're not women, even if fully transitioned.
You'll keep hitting transphobia unwittingly or otherwise until you can grasp that.
Just don't be surprised when hate groups don't agree and do a WTF, why are my comments being deleted etc thread

I know it was a typo. But this post was already accurate and revealing before you added the correction.

It's so EASY, isn't it? If your arguments don't make any sense you don't attempt to defend them, just scream 'phobia!' and run away.
You won't convince anyone that way - if anything it reads like an admission you know how weak your arguments are.
Women exist and transwomen are not women and you can't change reality by calling those who refuse to join in pretending 'transphobic'.

What do you mean by "fully transitioned" Verbeena?

Yes would also like an answer to this. I understood that making any such distinction was transphobia?

Yes, Ereshkigal, it's quite funny that actually the trans activists Verbeena is attempting to defend would consider Verbeena to be, at best misguided and wrong, and at worst horribly transphobic.

Isn't it just.

Still waiting for Verbena's definition of 'woman' ...

DrEm long Twitter thread with thorough referencing:

"A detailed look at the U.K. Serious Case Review National Repository suggests to me that Susie Green of mermaids is making up statistics and in my opinion behaving unethically and in contradiction with the Samaritan guidelines around suicide.

This has come out of work @ AlfredBelpaire has done and privately shared with me. The 'stats' Susie Green and another Mermaids mum are pushing, the sensationalist Guardian article do NOT agree with the research by GIDS of the Tavistock and Portman.

The GIDS evidence base is here: gids.nhs.uk/evidence-base

GIDS at Tavistock & Port: 'suicide is extremely rare', Serious Case Review National Repository evidence shows suicide is very rare vs. GIRES: 84% trans youth attempt suicide, Guardian 84% trans attempt suicide, Susie Green: trans children or they will commit suicide

The methodology of the GIRES study is extraordinarily weak - an internet survey - it hasn't even bothered with control groups or exploring other factors, also it is over 18s only so why is mermaids & the Guardian using it to make claims about childhood mental health?

In GIRES own report it appears that they state they have done no analysis of the data and are presenting inaccurate figures - rounding up and down at will, or am I misreading it? With a topic such as youth suicide surely one would do everything to try and ensure good data sets?"

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1047870548968189952

Still waiting for Verbena's definition of 'woman'

Currently slagging us all off on another thread so I doubt they'll hurry back.

Yes, I don't think Verbeena's definition of woman is coming any time soon. Says it all.

I was thinking about archaeology this morning, hundreds of years later you can dig up a skeleton and tell what sex it was, it really is that simple, if you can extract DNA from the bones they will also tell you what the sex of the body is. The most fundamental parts of the body will tell you someone's sex, they won't tell you how they dressed, how they wore their hair, the pitch of their voice , etc, wider archaeology has to help with that. If people are buried for long enough though there sex is one of the basic left identifiers left.

You don't see them as women. There's literally no point. You're "all ears, all ears" but if someone is daft enough to fall for it and engage, it all starts up again and goes round merry go round like.

Verbeena

Glad to have you here.

You used the words "fully transitioned". Someone asked you what you meant. I then said:

Yes would also like an answer to this. I understood that making any such distinction was transphobia?

Are you aware of this?

No I don’t see them as women. Because they are not women unless you are using women to mean “wears a dress” which it doesn’t. So yes - what is your definition of woman?

What is your definition of woman, Verbeena?
It shouldn't be a difficult one to answer.

You see them as women, Verbeena, people are asking why you do. That's all.