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Stop Funding Hate has joined forces with Mermaids

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GColdtimer · 03/10/2018 12:42

To produce a video to spread the love instead of the hate.

I have messaged and commented on their page. I have so much respect for this organisation I am deeply disappointed.

www.facebook.com/stopfundinghate/

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FekkoTheLawyer · 04/10/2018 20:01

I'm sad I'm not taller, more beautiful, more brainy or to her. Makes me sad but doesn't change the facts. I really do think I should have been born Queen Elizabeth 1.

GladAllOver · 04/10/2018 20:04

Verbena
What is your definition of 'woman' please?

WanderinWomb · 04/10/2018 20:07

Back on to Mermaids and stop Funding Hate.

Does anyone remember the details of the child abuse/neglect family court case regarding contact with Mermaids?
I think it was a custody case where the judge said that Mermaids' involvement had been part of the decision to remove child from that parent?

Wish I could remember the precise details from judges decision.
SFH should be made aware of what he lobby group they are making bedfellows of really are up to, not just their pleasant carey-choicey PR statements.

honestmushroom · 04/10/2018 20:26

Wander, the court case you're thinking of is here, I think:

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

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GColdtimer · 04/10/2018 20:44

Wander it's been linked to in the thread SFH thread. SFH keep quoting the Times apology and people keep putting them right.

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wanderinwomb · 04/10/2018 20:53

Thanks. That's the case.
I must have missed that other thread.

Tweeting it to them is good but are there any SFH member supporters that could write to them?
Someone on this thread said they knew the stop Funding Hate crew .

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/10/2018 21:05

Transwomen are transwomen
Women are women

I know. I didn't say otherwise.
That's at least acknowledging that they're women.

CoolGirlsNeverGetAngry · 04/10/2018 21:06

It looks as though their comments section is full of people telling them they’ve made a mistake (or expressing concern), SFH saying they haven’t and other people calling the original commenters bigots.
I actually supported them in the beginning. WTF are they thinking?

AssassinatedBeauty · 04/10/2018 21:09

"Transwomen are transwomen
Women are women

I know. I didn't say otherwise.
That's at least acknowledging that they're women."

How does that acknowledge that transwomen are women? What part of that brief 6 words tells you that?

GladAllOver · 04/10/2018 21:34

So what IS a woman, Verbena?

BettyDuMonde · 04/10/2018 21:46

Transwoman doesn’t mean the same as woman

Just as woman doesn’t mean the same thing as man.

Having a word as part of another word isn’t uncommon in the English language. Transplants aren’t plants, ladybirds aren’t birds, women aren’t men.

Transwomen aren’t women.

That said, I’m happy to treat people how they prefer to be treated in social situations.

But not in legal situations. Or medical situations.

That’s not a phobia, that’s being rational.

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GColdtimer · 04/10/2018 21:51

Love that Betty. I might pinch it.

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FloralBunting · 04/10/2018 22:18

It's impossible to resist comparing this strange insistence that the word 'woman' must be connected to a transwoman and never the word 'man' or a masculine pronoun, with the Knights who say 'Ni'. It's that absurd.

DayMay · 04/10/2018 22:23

Transwomen are transwomen

Women are women

ladybirds are ladybirds

Birds are birds

VerbeenaBeeks · 04/10/2018 22:32

It's impossible to resist comparing this strange insistence that the word 'woman' must be connected to a transwoman and never the word 'man' or a masculine pronoun

Because they've transitioned, they're transwomen. Not men. They're not going to have a masculine pronoun, are they, as they're transwomen.
To keep calling them men/blokes/ he is transphobic, but it's clear lots on here is never going to agree with that and is going to carry on dismissing them regardless.
Anyway, Stop Funding Hate is no shit sherlock stopping hate.
Are they only OK stopping hate if it's the right kind of hate?
Stop hate but not my type of hate as that's OK kind of thing?

AssassinatedBeauty · 04/10/2018 22:39

Transitioned means simply deciding that they identify as the opposite sex. That's the minimum requirement. And at that point they immediately become women. To disagree with this is to be transphobic. It is an incredibly intolerant belief system that requires everyone else to agree with it.

Frankenterfer · 04/10/2018 22:39

Verbeena I think I get what you're saying, that it's offensive to refer to trans women as men, because they are trans women. But what do you mean by transition? I used to think it meant surgery, but I'm not sure any more.

I'm happy to recognise trans people as the gender they identify with but I don't accept the argument that they actually become the biological sex that most aligns with their chosen gender identity stereotypes. (Not at you Verbeena, just commenting generally.)

FloralBunting · 04/10/2018 22:43

You're not reading, are you? Transwomen are transwomen has been typed a number of times during this thread. No one has called a specific transwoman 'he' here, it's not actually permitted. I think even Miranda Yardley, a transwoman, posted here and used male words for himself and got deleted.

So again, the only thing that has been repeated on this thread is that transwomen are male bodied individuals, which you even agreed with upthread.

You said, oh yes, they're not biological women, but they are women. You haven't defined what 'woman' is for the purposes of claiming transwomen are women, though, and any attempt to clarify the point is termed 'hate'. Can you not see how stunted your approach is?

Elephantinacravat · 04/10/2018 22:57

You said, oh yes, they're not biological women, but they are women. You haven't defined what 'woman' is for the purposes of claiming transwomen are women, though

Yes, if you are going to make statements like 'they are not biological women but they are women' then you are going to have to define 'woman'.

And that is not me 'telling you what you are and are not allowed to debate' or whatever, that is just the next logical step to your statement.

Soz.

GladAllOver · 04/10/2018 23:28

It's very strange that someone can claim to be a woman, or claim to know when someone is a woman, but they can't actually define what a woman is.

I can define a woman. It's an adult human female. With XX chromosomes.

What is Verbena's definition?

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 00:46

There's just no actual point, as you are clearly adamant that they're not women, even if fully transitioned.
You'll keep hitting transphobia unwittingly or otherwise until you can grasp that.
Just don't be surprised when hate groups don't agree and do a WTF, why are my comments being deleted etc thread.

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 00:53

stop funding hate groups that should read

UpstartCrow · 05/10/2018 00:58

I dont know why you have so little regard for women, but its not our problem.

OlennasWimple · 05/10/2018 01:03

What do you mean by "fully transitioned" Verbeena?

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 01:06

I dont know why you have so little regard for women, but its not our problem.

I have plenty of regards for women, thanks. Just no point engaging any further than that as when a thread doesn't compute transphobia and what it is, you can't go any further.