Stop Funding Hate has joined forces with Mermaids

[GColdtimer]

To produce a video to spread the love instead of the hate.

I have messaged and commented on their page. I have so much respect for this organisation I am deeply disappointed.

www.facebook.com/stopfundinghate/

Why is there no point? You do realize that the general public aren't going to 'see them as women' either? If you are going to attempt this weird huffy obstructionist "They just are" method with the average person on the street when they ask these questions, you're not going to convince anyone.

So, no, I, and most people, don't think a male is a female if he really believes he is. This is, apparently, transphobic. So how can I deal with my transphobic if you won't tell me why I'm wrong?

So how can I deal with my transphobic if you won't tell me why I'm wrong?

That's for you to work out, bigot. Education and self crit. And checking your cis privilege. Asking questions about trans identities is violence.

Ereshkigal, golly, it's no wonder people who aren't neurotypical struggle with this. It's Kafkaesque.

You have committed unspecified thought crime. I will not tell you the information you need to be able to not commit the thought crime. You must find it for yourself. I will not tell you where to look.

Indeed.

My guess is that Verbeena doesn't really believe it either but that she is part of a social grouping (most probably younger than most of us) where it would be absolute social suicide to admit it so she has to keep on saying it.
I don't know her or anything about her but this is how it is for a lot of generally caring, socially conscious younger people these days.

Young? Love it, I'll take that. I'm in my 40s lol

Any chance of engaging in good faith Verbeena rather than running off to be rude about us in a clique of non FWR fans?

No. Point.

What was your definition of fully transitioned again Verbeena ?

That's quite important for me to get my head round your point of view.

No. Point = no debate

Let them get on with their homework for goodness sake.

No. Point

Why is there no point? How can you say that when you haven't even attempted to answer the question?

Imagine parliamentary debates or TV debates if everytime a politician didnt want to answer a question they just said 'oh there's no point in answering that'?

I am I have decided just too literal a person to be able to manage this. As far as I can see there are actual biological women in this concept and men who believe they are women and they are both equally female. For some people belief has equal weight to biology but for me it doesn't. I am not much into belief, I don't believe in any God and am very grateful that I don't live in the Middle Ages where expressing such a view would be life threatening.
If I was given evidence which showed that there were different sorts of brains that could end up in different sex bodies or something that made this more than belief I would look really hard an my stance but so far I haven't found anything and certainly not anything not tied up in physical sex.
I don't hate anyone, I am happy to call individuals by whatever pronoun they wished to be called, I believe all individuals should be treated with respect. I am not overly excerised by males calling themselves women, I am just not going to accept their belief system anymore than I accept any religious belief system.
Asking questions is what leads to human development, no belief system worth following tells its adherents that questions are violence.

@Verbeenbeeks - you can’t explain can you?

I think I'm getting it. We are being gaslighted by surrealists.

Even more perfect since pipe in French also means dick

It's not a pipe, it's an "impossible vagina" as Jess might say.

Oops verbena you said
I know. I didn't say otherwise.
That's at least acknowledging that they're women.

That right there is transphobia, sorry sweetie.

I've been out all day. Was really hoping @VerbeenaBeeks was going to tell me what a woman was.

I know!

And it certainly wasn't the lanky 6" bloke I saw on Offord Street today wearing a 'peasant girl' lacy off the shoulder dress - with a beard. He wasn't even trying very hard. He even walked like a bloke.

I'm pretty about SFH anyway frankly

this smug assumption that to be a good person you have to look down on the daily mail (to be fair 18 months ago that was me, but i've been through changes)

they don't think

perfect victims for the 'be nice, wave by bye to your rights' brigade

Not one genderist has ever given a definition of 'woman' in this brave new world. Shon Faye attempted it IIRC..something about shifting constellations of stereotypes or something

I think there are lots of women and girls who desperately wish that saying they were a man made it true.

Think how many unwanted pregnancies, how many rapes, how many atrocities could have been avoided if it could be the case.

Strength of believe is no indication of truth. Otherwise all the women and girls who were completely certain that you can't get pregnant the first time, if he pulls out, how if they always went home with a friend they wouldn't be raped, who believed the men who said they were going to marry them, so it was OK to have sex now. How much pain and anguish could have been saved if believing something strongly enough made it true?