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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Article in today’s Guardian about toilets and trans users.

138 replies

SausageOnAFork · 03/10/2018 07:37

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/03/public-bathrooms-are-gender-identity-battlefields-what-if-we-just-do-it-right?__twitter_impression=true

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Letshopeitsallok · 03/10/2018 11:18

thurmanmerman are you saying that as a cisnormative inhabitant of the public restroom that you are not, not I say, policing arbiters of gender?

I am shocked! Shocked I tell you.

Actually I have no idea what that paragraph is supposed to mean either.

UpstartCrow · 03/10/2018 11:21

Ironically its a terribly judgemental sentence, that shows how uncomfortable they are around other people. Almost phobic, if you will.

bellinisurge · 03/10/2018 11:23

I used to gripe about my 11 year old dd always wanting me to go with her to public loos. Not now.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 03/10/2018 11:34

"cisnormative"

Again with the idea that everyone in the world who isn't a self declared member of the trans-umbrella-folx is desperately enforcing regressive sexist stereotypes left right and centre.

No acknowledgement (or even knowledge?) that large tranches of especially women have been fighting against these stereotypes for decades.

Back again to the 12yo who thinks no-one understands.............

Forgotthebins · 03/10/2018 11:42

This sentence in the article is priceless:

"What is it that we do in bathrooms? Why does it need to be connected to our body or gender?"

Where would the wee, poo or menstrual blood come from if not a body? Is there a faecal fairy that I don't know about?

Datun · 03/10/2018 11:45

Wanker who neither understands, nor respects women dismisses their boundaries with:

The common assertion that gender non-conforming people who use bathrooms present a threat to the personal safety of cisgender people is rubbish."

Goes on to (apparently?) decide that reapplying lippy determines your sex

The public restroom is not only a place to empty one’s bladder or bowel, change a tampon or clothes, wash hands or reapply lippy; it’s an arbiter of gender, with its mostly cisnormative inhabitants to police it.”

And then shows up his massive jealousy and female embodiment fantasies with

Transmisogyny is when only the ciswomen are doing one of those women only ‘cake things’ in the work kitchen and you weren’t invited, and then you walk in for a glass of water as you do, and at best one person says hello."

Until this issue, I never realised there quite so many men who had zero self-awareness.

Your fears are groundless, your boundaries immaterial, gender determines sex, and I find the whole thing a huge turn on.

Let me talk about it endlessly and then complain that you won't give me any of your cake.

Polkasq · 03/10/2018 11:46

I've never heard any woman say thy were going to "reapply lippy".

thurmanmerman · 03/10/2018 11:49

letshopeitsallok that's me, policing toilets wherever I go

Article in today’s Guardian about toilets and trans users.
BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 03/10/2018 11:50

Here's what I found about dear Simona with a quick Google: "Women of Letters challenged contributors to write a letter to something they’d lost. Singer, architect, DJ and parent Simona Castricum wrote one to herself"

Why am I not surprised in the least?

thurmanmerman · 03/10/2018 11:51

Forgotthebins ha ha good point! Actual lol at wee and poo etc not being connected to our bodies Grin

NothingOnTellyAgain · 03/10/2018 11:53

Do you know I assumed this was a "woke" cunty person.

God I'm fucking stupid aren't I.

Simona's got a sort of ned's atomic dustbin aesthetic going on.

Datun · 03/10/2018 11:55

Good lord. Why make yourself look threatening and menacing in a photograph and then complain that women don't want you in their space?

terryleather · 03/10/2018 11:59

It's like Marilyn fucking Manson telling women that we're oppressing him because of his clothes choices and preferences for make up, and because we didn't share our cake.

Once again fuck the fuck off to the far side of fuck with the narcissism and the misogyny.

PipGoesPop · 03/10/2018 12:02

Why why why why why is everyone unable to understand that the majority of us that are GC do not believe that trans people are a threat.

FFS the issue is self ID and it being abused by male bodied wankers to do as they please in a female space.

SPOFS · 03/10/2018 12:11

That article is more badly-written than anything I have ever read in The Daily Mail...

Also, isn't it amazing that I could guess the author's chromosomes after just two paragraphs?

MoltenLasagne · 03/10/2018 12:11

I've posted about this before on here but the whole "France has unisex toilets and it's all fine" is bollocks.

My uni in France built a new block with only unisex toilets and it was a nightmare. Constant sexual harassment from men enjoying intimidating women in a confined space which, for me, culminated in being assaulted about 6 weeks into the first term.

I started using the women's toilets in the nearby geography block instead as did most female students. By the new year the literature building toilets were unofficially men only. Any woman who got harassed thereafter was met with "well what did you expect, using the unisex toilets instead of going to the women's".

Datun · 03/10/2018 12:13

Any woman who got harassed thereafter was met with "well what did you expect, using the unisex toilets instead of going to the women's".

Ugh.

FloralBunting · 03/10/2018 12:17

Ridiculous. Any real woman knows you reapply lippy with a cute little flip mirror that you keep in your handbag, no need to go into the toilets at all.

placemats · 03/10/2018 12:18

Why why why why why is everyone unable to understand that the majority of us that are GC do not believe that trans people are a threat.

FFS the issue is self ID and it being abused by male bodied wankers to do as they please in a female space.

This. PipGoesPop

NothingOnTellyAgain · 03/10/2018 12:19

This person is "non binary" so why are they playing on a woman's football team?

Oh yes because they want to.
They're about a foot taller than all of the other players. And will be stronger etc as well.
Fuck off.

Biologifemini · 03/10/2018 12:21

Miltonlasagne: I have had the same issue in France.
Street sexual harassment (in Paris anyway) is a massive issue. Of course this bloke isn’t affect by it and women there are a so fed up by it. I don’t know if much is being done but I wouldn’t hold up France as the place to go if you want to avoid wandering hands.

littlbrowndog · 03/10/2018 12:23

Me me me me me me me me me me me

Look at me me me me

LangCleg · 03/10/2018 12:24

Good lord. Why make yourself look threatening and menacing in a photograph and then complain that women don't want you in their space?

I might well considering not buying Simona a cupcake when it was my birthday.

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