Stephanie Hayden takes Graham Linehan to court for doxxing

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Their statement is here:

twitter.com/flyinglawyer73/status/1046792462067519489?s=19

Someone asked for evidence for a claim and this post provided plenty of links to cases in the press. I don't recall anything uncivil in the post

Not sure why that post went myself to be fair

Then again I didn't read the links, so not sure if what they were linking to were at fault?
No idea if not that

@Ereshkigalangcleg

To claim this tweet as evidence of trans activists making bomb threats is simply a lie

No it isn't, it was reported to Sussex police as a credible threat and they investigated it on those grounds. Mea culpa, it was only one bomb threat but I phrased it in a way that many people do when using the English language. It wasn't deliberate.

Don't call me a liar. You've had multiple posts deleted on this thread presumably for your comments last night, so it looks like you are being a bit of a hypocrite here, in accusing others of trying to smear.

It may well have been taken seriously by the police, they take all such threats seriously. But there is no evidence a trans person had anything at all to do with it and from the twitter account it came from it seems highly unlikely.

DeaconBoo It would be laughable, somewhat like a Monty Python sketch if it wasn't so sinister:

Show me the evidence

No, not that evidence. I didn't mean evidence that proves you right.

That old misogyny again, can't make men look bad.

Anyway, the attempt to shut down the discussion here made me go looking at what was being discussed.

That is epic self-owning by someone who has been usig the courts to attack gender critical women for years. I might not believe in karma but having read what's gone on I'm currently rethinking that. Simply astonishing.

no evidence a trans person had anything at all to do with it

A lot of TRAs aren't trans. A lot of trans people don't sympathise with TRAs.

@RedDogsBeg

The blinding sunlight really isn't to some people's taste is it.

Why was the exhaustive list of links to threats removed? How can that be against the Guidelines, it is information and evidence in the public domain.

Hopefully because not one of them was evidence of trans people making bomb threats to meetings.

Waving a flare at a protest is not a bomb threat, it is very common at both protests and football matches, and neither is letting off a smoke bomb in the doorway of the Daily Mail. And to attempt to claim some trans survivalist who got caught with explosives is evidence of TRA violence is likely someone trying to claim feminists go round shooting people because of what Valerie Solanas did.

The claim trans activists threated the WPUK meeting with bomb threats is completely without foundation, as is the similar claim about the WOLF meeting in the states for which there is also no evidence of trans involvement and little explanation of what this threat constituted of, it's quite possible the police swept the venue as a precaution or because someone left a bag lying around. WOLF have many enemies not least within the evangelical movement that spawned them where the alliance with feminists is not supported by everyone. They are also closely linked to militant pro-life groups from whom they have received considerable funding. So even if there was a threat made there's no evidence it came from trans people.

@NotTerfNorCis

no evidence a trans person had anything at all to do with it

A lot of TRAs aren't trans. A lot of trans people don't sympathise with TRAs.

There's no evidence a TRA as you call them had anything to do with it and to say otherwise is a lie.

The mental gymnastics, victim blaming and dismissal you employ to paint your side as pure as the driven snow is disgusting jj1968.

You seriously think letting smoke bombs and flares off is not intimidating, you think what happened at the Jam Jar in Bristol was not violent and intimidating, you think the TW/TRA who assaulted Julie Bindel was not violent or intimidating, you think what happened to Maria Maclaclan was not violent or intimidating, no doubt you'll tell us that they deserved it, it wasn't that bad, what did they expect. As for smoke bombs and flares in the shadow of Grenfell Tower did you hear what the victims of that terrible disaster said or doesn't that fit your narrative of nice, cuddly TRAs who just want to hold hands and teach the world to sing?

The threats of violence and actual violence are all coming from your side of the debate jj, the exhortations to punch or kill or rape a te*f are from people who support your side, the constant nature of these threats will and have driven people to act on them and they are doing it in your name.

Anyway, the attempt to shut down the discussion here

Nobody's "shutting down" discussion here.
If people were capable of discussing without resorting to personal attacks of differing views., constant misgendering, etc, maybe wouldn't have been so many deletions.
NOT a threat before anyone takes it as such, just an observation
now aware my capital letters use of the word not may be taken as a threat but really wasn't meant to be lol

OK -I'm a bit lost - where has JJ said not intimidating to any of that on here, where did they say deserved it etc?
Not sticking up for, doesn't automatically mean I'm bessie mates (just another poster) but seriously - where?
Or is it just assumptions

Quaggars it's jj's modus de operandi, frankly I'm sick of jj's victim blaming, denial, dismissal, pretzel twisting on every thread they appear on.

@RedDogsBeg

The mental gymnastics, victim blaming and dismissal you employ to paint your side as pure as the driven snow is disgusting jj1968.

You seriously think letting smoke bombs and flares off is not intimidating, you think what happened at the Jam Jar in Bristol was not violent and intimidating, you think the TW/TRA who assaulted Julie Bindel was not violent or intimidating, you think what happened to Maria Maclaclan was not violent or intimidating, no doubt you'll tell us that they deserved it, it wasn't that bad, what did they expect. As for smoke bombs and flares in the shadow of Grenfell Tower did you hear what the victims of that terrible disaster said or doesn't that fit your narrative of nice, cuddly TRAs who just want to hold hands and teach the world to sing?

The threats of violence and actual violence are all coming from your side of the debate jj, the exhortations to punch or kill or rape a te*f are from people who support your side, the constant nature of these threats will and have driven people to act on them and they are doing it in your name.

I think the flares were disrespectful given the proximity to Greenfell but waving a flare at a protest is not violence. I have condemned the language that has been used on social media but this goes both ways, prominent trans people get plenty of similar shit. And I don't really see a huge moral difference between some kid posting a die in a fire gif and gender critical activists accusing people of being groomers, fetishists and all kinds of other things with no evidence. Both sides are as bad as each other in my opinion, even if their styles are different.

The only incidence of actual physical violence I'm aware of in the history of trans rights is what happened at Speakers Corner. This involved an argument over someone taking photos of people without their consent and someone responded with violence - utterly unacceptable in my view, but not terrorism. I didn't support the protest at the Birds Nest meeting either, I think it was aggresive and intimidating, and the trans rights movement has learnt from that and moved on. It should be said perhaps that the reason trans rights protesters have a history of wearing masks is due to anti-trans websites like twansphobic using photos of trans people to attempt to mock and humiliate them. I equally don;t support Venice Allen stocking cameras in people critches and making juvenile derogatory remarks about their bodies on social media. There has been nasty shit on both sides, but in terms of actual physical violence there have been more violent struggles over village bowling greens. There has certainly been nothing remotely comparable to far right attacks, or for that matter the bombing and arson campaigns carried out by feminist groups like Angry Wimmin and Red Zora on the 80/90s.

And I don't really see a huge moral difference between some kid posting a die in a fire gif and gender critical activists accusing people of being groomers, fetishists and all kinds of other things with no evidence. Both sides are as bad as each other in my opinion, even if their styles are different

No i see what you mean

One is just innocent and naive children and the others are activists

What a load of tosh...

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

And I don't really see a huge moral difference between some kid posting a die in a fire gif and gender critical activists accusing people of being groomers, fetishists and all kinds of other things with no evidence. Both sides are as bad as each other in my opinion, even if their styles are different

No i see what you mean

One is just innocent and naive children and the others are activists

What a load of tosh...

Well it's pretty true ain't it. I've yet to see any prominent trans activists or organisations engage in that kind of abuse, it's usually anonymous twitter accounts and which has been widely condemned by actual trans activists. With some notable exceptions such as Rosa Freedman I have seen few GC activists condemn some of the behaviour of Glinner, Julie Long and others at the more extreme end of things.

The idea that there's no evidence for AGP fetishism is hilarious its all over the internet, and we all have both computers and eyes.

Just search #girlslikeus on Twitter. It's not even remotely hidden.

If anything it was probably a tactical mistake not to lay all the transphobia, threats of violence and sexual shit trans people get at the GC door, after all GC activists have been happy to blame anything and everything aimed at JK Rowling and others on 'TRAs'. Oh well, you live and learn, that's where integrity gets you.

Well, I think we can safely say that thanks to JJs hard work here, getting this thread bumped repeatedly, everyone is thoroughly apprised of the latest situation with S. Hayden 😂

Did you never hear of the Streisand effect, JJ?

Well it's pretty true ain't it

Well, to be fair i dont read childrens social media to I can’t claim to know too much about that part of your post

But i believe that all sorts of adults on all sorts of ‘sides’ say all sorts of things

I do not believe that this whole tit for tat thing boils down to innocent children against hardened activists

RedDogsBeg

The mental gymnastics, victim blaming and dismissal you employ to paint your side as pure as the driven snow is disgusting jj1968.

You seriously think letting smoke bombs and flares off is not intimidating, you think what happened at the Jam Jar in Bristol was not violent and intimidating, you think the TW/TRA who assaulted Julie Bindel was not violent or intimidating, you think what happened to Maria Maclaclan was not violent or intimidating, no doubt you'll tell us that they deserved it, it wasn't that bad, what did they expect. As for smoke bombs and flares in the shadow of Grenfell Tower did you hear what the victims of that terrible disaster said or doesn't that fit your narrative of nice, cuddly TRAs who just want to hold hands and teach the world to sing?

The threats of violence and actual violence are all coming from your side of the debate jj, the exhortations to punch or kill or rape a tef are from people who support your side, the constant nature of these threats will and have driven people to act on them and they are doing it in your name.*

Yup.

Millwall (everyone hates us but we don't care) were intimidated enough to withdraw their venue as a meeting place.

Prior to the meeting at The House of Commons, frontline staff said they had never seen anything like it.

A transactivist was arrested, convicted and found guilty of battery at speakers corner involving a grandmother.

But women, on mumsnet, reading a website, are in danger of being guilty of terrorism.

I'd like to say you honestly couldn't make it up, but clearly you can 🤣

All to stop people reading a thread on KF. Having read it, I can see why!

I see no ships!

Integrity?

Hahahahahahahahahaha hahah

Hahahahahahahahaha

@jj1968

If anything it was probably a tactical mistake not to lay all the transphobia, threats of violence and sexual shit trans people get at the GC door, after all GC activists have been happy to blame anything and everything aimed at JK Rowling and others on 'TRAs'. Oh well, you live and learn, that's where integrity gets you.

"You don't know all the threats. They go to a different school."