Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...

[Rightlikeagirl]

I've come across so many of these threads at the moment on mumsnet and I'm interested/intrigued in them because I have never seen trans women (or men) as a problem. They don't affect my day to day life at all. In fact I don't believe I've ever met a trans woman in real life, that I know of anyway.

I'm struggling to understand why it makes women so angry and also why men seem to be so universally hated on here in general. I've just been reading a thread about how they fear women and how they fear them having a voice and doing better than them. This just does not ring true for me - the men I know I just not like this!

Anyway I'm prepared to listen and find out more about this subject. I don't think you will actually peak trans me though...

On a recent radio show (5Live) a woman called in to talk about a camping trip the had taken with a new friend - a transwoman - who identified as a woman, but still was male-bodied, wore men's clothing, and had a shaved head an a beard.

They were made call them 'she'. How they all laughed when they all occasionally slipped up, ('she' was very understanding apparently, but did have to keep reminding them all) just because this person didn't look at all like a 'she'.

Yes Danielle Muscato was the one I was thinking off, Thanks.

OP - Google the above individual and come back and tell us what you think.

I'll go back to my lurking now.

We can talk about Susie green. The mods don't approve of the concentrated discussion about the genitalia of children.

Fair enough.

Frankly the Suzie Green thing makes me breathless.

She was so upfront about her belief in gender. She truly thought there was something wrong with her child. To even contemplate that she might have been wrong would be horrifying.

But, I have to remind myself that she is now head of a charity that advises other parents.

The transwoman who looked exactly like a man was Danielle Muscato. They have since started to wear women's clothing. But for years, they looked like this photograph.

I generally am pretty laid back. I worked with a man years ago who it turned out was actually born a woman. He did the whole living as a man for x amount of years, hormones, surgery, gender certificate (apologies if I'm not using the correct terminology, I don't mean to offend anyone!) and I was gobsmacked when I found out. I genuinely would have not believed if i hadn't seen their old passport
That's fine by me, he lives pretty quietly, gets on with his life and it never really comes up in conversation

But then I have someone else I know who decided around late 30s he wanted to be a woman. He already had mental health issues and numerous suicide attempts. Is taking hormones off the internet. Changed his name, posts a lot about how women's issues affect him. And then turned up in my female only class because "he's a woman"
He's literally dressing as a woman and so that makes him one? And also says he's a lesbian. But he has a penis, and currently had stopped taking hormones

The thing that peaked me was the fact that the current transagenda is so homophobic and regressive.

Woman= anyone who feels like one
Lesbian= people who are attracted to women
Ergo lesbian have to be attracted to anyone who says they are a woman even if they still have a penis.

I think I’m right in saying most people on here have no problem with transsexuals, cross dressers and drag queens. It’s the militant Goldsmiths gender studies students who are all about identity politics and oppression olympics that are the problem.

Transwomen are transwomen. That statement shouldn’t be getting people sacked and abused.

I have a question! Please don't hate me, I live in a world where women are equal. Men are respectable. I have a career, DP is a SAHD. I go to the ladies loos and see just ladies. I have 3 DDs, I hope for them that their futures are as lovely as my life.

If a transwoman came up to you in a shop and asked for directions to the mens changing room, would you be happy? Is it just where they choose to change, exercise, pee that bothers you?
If a transwoman who has had the operation to remove penis asked for the female changing room, would that be ok?

I personally dont want penises in the female changing room, but once the op is done, Id be ok.

I was asked a question on here, what makes you feel like a woman? Great question, as I throw on a pair of jeans and whatever top I touch first. Make up only happens if I can be bothered. You can be a woman without giving birth. The only constant is, women look down and see a vagina. So my answer is the fact i have a vagina makes me female. In fact, is this not how we check animals and babies. We see penis - boy, we see vagina - girl.
Are the people who are angry, jist angry because of the spaces they are fighting to change in? If so, I get it. Am I missing something else?

Dear god, we're back at the beginning of the thread again. Groundhog thread.

No one hates you but what the fuck.

Iputthescrewinthetuna

By the sounds of it you are just like everyone else on here. I don’t think anyone doesn’t like transwomen or would be rude or horrible to them.

I just don’t think it’s fair to let men take women’s single sex spaces away or for them to tell us how to define ourselves. That is classic misogyny.

I’m a woman. But I’m my own type of woman. I don’t want to be pigeon holed to fit someone else’s agenda. I’m not cis, my miscarriage wasn’t a ‘cis privilege’. And my current struggle to conceive definitely doesn’t make me the same as a man who wants to be a woman.

Those last bits are why I’m angry.

Don't what the fuck me. Be respectful! I don't get it, I am asking a genuine question!

Why don't you read the thread Iputthescrewinthetuna?

It's difficult to be respectful when you've ignored the whole thread and effectively asked the original OP question again.

I get that @MissSusanSays. I suffer from a disease only a woman can have. My last baby nearly killed me. I suffer daily. I have had 5 miscarriages....trust me this is not a privilege! I am also a victim of sexual assault. Again, no privilege!
Is there anything, as an individual that I can do! I want my children to go into changing rooms and feel safe. I just don't understand how it has got to the point where the term female has gotten so twisted.

Iputthescrewinthetuna

Student politics is the only answer I can come up with. That and a subsection of people who are into what they call ‘kink’ way to take what they do mainstream and create a space for themselves where quite niche activities are more socially acceptable.

You also cannot discount the amount of misogyny in these communities.

NRTF as the round and round hurts my head.

All the bloody pigeon holling that goes on. I am not a CIS woman - personally I find that term highly offensive, divisional and derogatory.

The issue with a lot of what is going on, is that we as women are now being "firmly" put back in our boxes. Must like pink, must be demure, must be a cissy woman, can't be aggressive, can't get angry, how dare we be entitled to be called women.

"Men should be real men and women should be cis women?? " and everyone else can be whatever they want to be. Seriously screwed up.

I had short hair as a kid, wore dungarees, I don't like dresses, my dolls we used to make parachute weights. I have had a very "male" career. I have been told often during my career that I am too "male" in my thinking - by men and woman. Many have been surprised to find out I'm straight and married with DCs.

I am a Woman, and nobody man or woman is going to relabel me. Labelling is bad news, labelling leads to discrimination, less rights, stereotypes. It feels like we are being sent back to the 1950s and given a Good Housekeeping guide on how to be little (cis) women.

Do women and girls have a right to say NO to boys and men?

Are women and girls entitled to legal recognition and protections of their SEX?

Should it be a crime if women and girls insist upon some female only places and services?

How should we criminalise and punish women who hold female only meetings, rape crisis centres, refuges and sports?

Should it be legally compulsory for the 33million of us in the UK who are female to officially adopt an 'internal, invisible female essence' unrelated to biology so that we can be forcibly grouped with men who believe they possess it and insist we do too?

Don't ask us questions. A thousand others before you have asked those questions of us and there are literally millions of words on this feminist board answering over and over and over and over.

Ask yourself these questions and have intellectual integrity with your answers.

Should females have a right to say no to males?
Should females have a right to reject a male definition of womanhood that doesn't fit?
Should women be punished for telling the truth?

I want YOU to convince me that I should be forbidden, in law, from telling the truth, from rejecting a category I don't belong in, from having legal boundaries that differentiate me from men.

Convince yourself first, then convince me instead.

And then tell me how I should be punished under our own laws for saying this:
I am female.
Males can never become female.
Identities don't matter.
I don't accept that men who call themselves women belong in a category with me.
I differentiate myself from men by sex, not by invisible feelings.

Cotton ceiling and Jenni Murray peaked me.

The statement TWAW is rubbish as only men can be TW. A woman can't be a TW.

Also, at its very very most boiled and diluted down way.

A man cannot be a woman. The end. I don't care if you want to wear make up, dresses, high heels etc... good for you. You're still male.

And women aren't even called women anymore... men who decide they are women are called women. We are now cis-women. Why did we lose our own label?

And lastly, there was a thing on Twitter a while back whereby transwoman were taking used sanitary wear from the bins in toilets and wearing them because it made them feel female.

Oh AND transwoman have periods. Except they don't bleed, because they physically can't but they get all the cramps and mood swings and whatever else.... sure.

This might get deleted... I don't follow the guidelines for posting here because I never post here but oh well.

*Datun
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We can talk about Susie green. The mods don't approve of the concentrated discussion about the genitalia of children.

Thank you for the clarification. I agree it is very distasteful to discuss a child's genitalia and I am quite stunned at the way Susie Green has discussed her child publicly.

Lila Perry peaktransed me.

Very clearly wearing no underwear under a short school skirt, demanded and gained access to girls' changing rooms.

Can say much more as I want the thread to stand. Google it.

This is Lila Perry. Both pics.

The problem with all this is it's a predator's dream. Any chancer, opportunist, fetishist.

Wearing women's clothes is a fetish that men have, not women.

And many transactivists are trying to legitimise it. By using gender dysphoria as the Trojan horse.

And bullying, misogynistic, domineering men who like to intimidate women are flocking to the movement. It's a gift for them.

Does the video of Lila wearing that short skirt with a very obvious part erection still exist?

Oh yeah!

Look from 3:15 onwards.

OMG.

I was going to say google:

Stefonknee Wolscht
Alex Drummond
Aimee Challenor
Karen White
Michelle Lewin
Lila Perry
David Challenor
Jess Bradley
ATH
Danielle Muscato
Tiffany Scott
Gabriella Ludwig
Hannah Mouncey
Sarah Brown
Michelle Lewin

They’re just names off the top of my head there are many, many more and I see some have already been covered. But really OP if you don’t have access to google and critical thinking skills, I can’t help you.

And for any lurkers here’s a list of nice sane trans people to google, but I wouldn’t insult them by putting them on the same list as the above fuckwits.

Miranda Yardley
Kristina Harrison
Jenny Randles
Fionne Orlander
Debbie Hayton

Oh my god