Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...

[Rightlikeagirl]

I've come across so many of these threads at the moment on mumsnet and I'm interested/intrigued in them because I have never seen trans women (or men) as a problem. They don't affect my day to day life at all. In fact I don't believe I've ever met a trans woman in real life, that I know of anyway.

I'm struggling to understand why it makes women so angry and also why men seem to be so universally hated on here in general. I've just been reading a thread about how they fear women and how they fear them having a voice and doing better than them. This just does not ring true for me - the men I know I just not like this!

Anyway I'm prepared to listen and find out more about this subject. I don't think you will actually peak trans me though...

I think this is very heavily linked to why people transition though isn't it. It's the social conditioning from birth

Yes, exactly. I meant the programme doesn't specifically address trans.

We rigidly enforce gender in 2018. And the trans ideology is a result. Unfortunately it does exactly the same, despite pretending to do the opposite.

I think this is very heavily linked to why people transition though isn't it. It's the social conditioning from birth

Yes definitely. Almost all stories of transition start with 'I was miserable wearing/playing X gendered thing'.
There certainly is a form of body dysmorphia that centres on sex characteristics but the vast majority of people who identify as trans aren't really talking about their bodies, they are talking about gendered stereotypes and expectations.

Lots of homosexual feminine boys and men transition due to internalised homophobia. Being a straight woman > a gay man.
Likewise many butch lesbian girls and women transition due to hideous lesbophobia/butchphobia. Again, being a straight man puts you at the top of the pile whereas being a butch lesbian puts you fairly near the bottom in terms of privilege and acceptance.

They don't affect my day to day life at all.

I'm alright Jack.

I apologise for my snippy earlier post.

As a previous poster said, no one can 'peak trans' you. If you get the chance to read through a few of the threads on here you will probably get there by yourself. In the end lots of bits pull together and suddenly 'live and let live' turns into 'let us live our way and to hell with you' and that is what cemented it for me.

Datun

I watched that when it was on, it was fascinating!

Susie Green the head of Mermaids is on record saying something that utterly shocked me.

When her (then) son wanted to play with dolls and all sorts of girls' toys she says (in a Ted talk I think), something like 'so of course we took him to the doctor'.

Her assumption was that something must be wrong. Gender stereotyping was so ingrained in Susie Green she had no other explanation.

Her child was utterly miserable. Especially when Susie and her husband removed all their toys in a desperate bid to cure their child.

It's extraordinary to me that a parent has so little insight into even armchair psychology.

The flick of an eyebrow, a certain tone of voice can affect a child. Small things, a throwaway sentence, can have a profound and lasting effect.

Removing all their toys because they are 'wrong', would be devastating.

The fact that Green still talks about this, years later, as justification, is shocking.

Five minutes on mumsnet, not just the feminist boards, would have set her straight years ago. Because although not the whole of mumsnet agrees on the trans issue, most women on here do agree on trying not to force gender on their children.

Datun watching that Susie Green ted talk is what peak trans me. It was her utter ignorance that the way she and her H, had treated that 4 year old, had anything to do with the child’s subsequent thoughts/behaviour/feelings etc.

The ignorance and arrogance of SG, left me reeling.

The thing I still don't get is what about men and women that genuinely want to transition as they feel they are in the wrong body and have no desire to do any harm to anybody, aren't doing it for their own gains (in fact probably harder for them to do than remain as their original gender).

They've been thrown under the bus along with all women by the trans-activists, who are in far greater numbers.

The bottom line, however, is how do you tell which is which when you're framing law and policy? The law is unable to differentiate adequately - especially if self-id becomes law - between James-who-became-Jan, who is no threat to anyone and Ian-who-wants-to-be-called-Lian-or-possibly-Nicola, who is a threat to all women and girls and committed the brutal murder of two girls. Both would be entitled to the same access to women's spaces, services, etc and the one currently in a maximum security prison is already entitled (under prison policy) to demand that he be placed in a women's prison.

This is the first time I've seen the phrase peak transed but the thread came up in active and as I'm nosy I clicked. Well. I'm now sitting having a coffee absolutely horrified at what is happening in the world that I had no idea about. Googling words and acronyms and people with my mouth open.

I'm terribly ignorant on this but I thought someone wasn't transgender until reassignment had taken place and a lot of the people being referred to are what used to be known as transvestites or cross dressers, self identifying some of the time with personal gain.

I'm going to need to get my head round the implications of this.

My take away from Susie Green‘s TED Talk was that she would have been ok with an effeminate boy but the kid‘s father could not take it, and daddy’s attitude improved in the boy‘s mind that really only girls can like this stuff, so kid decided they must be a girl. Didn‘t save the marriage in the end but may still have been the most acceptable route for Daddy - who became supportive ( presumably the psychological device of ‚girl brain in boy body‘ helps Daddy cope).

Not improved, impressed in the boy‘s mind, duh!

The clip where Susie Green and her mother [could be her MIL I suppose] were laughing about the size of her son's penis and how it was of no use now, because of the ILLEGAL drugs they bought online.

Yeah. That. Right. There.

She should be in jail, not on prime time TV.

I'm terribly ignorant on this but I thought someone wasn't transgender until reassignment had taken place and a lot of the people being referred to are what used to be known as transvestites or cross dressers, self identifying some of the time with personal gain

yes, this is where most people are.

I too am astonished that Susie Green has not been charged with multiple offences. I am even more astonished that organisations take advice from her and don't see the danger.

The Susie Green public inquiry is going to be one hell of an inquiry when it eventually comes.

If you were to need an intimate examination (or your sister, daughter, mother were) would you prefer a woman?

If the intimate examination is because you have been raped would you want it to be done by a woman?

What if you were n police/prison custody so you had no choice but to be examined with or without your consent.

How would you feel if the person examining you had a male body? Possibly a beard definitely a penis.

Under self ID that is the reality.

Or lets say you work in a women's prison, you have to search some prisoners. One of the prisoners is a 6ft male who has a conviction for rape but since then has decided he feels like a woman. You have no choice but to carry out the search, even if he is getting an erection from your discomfort and clearly enjoying himself.

You then lock him in a cell with a 19 year old who has been raped in her past. You have no choice in this.

David Challanor reaped and tortured a little girl whilst he was dressed as a girl. Do you think that child (probably a teenager now) should be able to go into a toilet or changing room and not see a penis?

This is what we object to, the self id and the way it is being abused.

Not people with body dismorphia who have had surgery and hormone treatment, and who, incidentally are just as vilified by the TRAs as any other women.

Iirc Paris Lees also had some sort of girls toy ban when they were growing up. I think they were all carted off to a charity shop.

thought someone wasn't transgender until reassignment had taken place
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Haireverywhere* I think this is where a lot of people still are stuck and every time I have this conversation people say - well ok, so what, self-ID you have to fill in a form and send in your certificate showing you've had surgery to prove you are trans. Or something similar to that. When I explain that no surgery is necessary, no proof of being trans at all is necessary except an assertion of that fact, and that most people don't actually end up having surgery, they often experience a period of serious cognitive dissonance.

I've been where you are, do you feel the scales have fallen from your eyes? That you have to reassess everything around you regarding women's rights? It's very disorienting, I know

Ive namechanged here, but Suzy Green taking her child to the doctor for wanting girls toys.

That happened to me.

Im female, i wanted a toy truck. My mother was horrified and took me to the doctor. He (apparently) laughed uproariously and said buy her a bloody truck.

This was in 1976

It wouldn’t happen now. And that fuckng scares me.

I don't post on here, ever. I just lurk quietly.

But please can somebody remind me of the name of the "transwoman" who has made absolutely no attempt to transition, still has a beard etc...?

All of the above are extremely valid points of course, but that man who in every way shape and form looks, appears, speaks, stands, acts like a man would be able to declare himself a woman and share our spaces was the final nail in the coffin for me. Why can't I remember his name!!!!!

On Susie Green

1. I also don't understand how she was not prosecuted. I assume that some girls are willing to have FGM because they have accepted their culture's reason. Her parents would still be prosecuted for having it done.

1. The moderation around this family on Mumsnet. I don't understand how we can be deleted for talking about this when the mother and now adult child have had documentaries and flipping TED talks about the very topic.

Alex Drummond?

Danielle muscato? Or Alex
Drummond?

And YY to that bbc documentary. It really spelt out a lot for me at the time about how harmful gender stereotyping is for children.

Danielle Muscato

Alex Drummond.