Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...

[Rightlikeagirl]

I've come across so many of these threads at the moment on mumsnet and I'm interested/intrigued in them because I have never seen trans women (or men) as a problem. They don't affect my day to day life at all. In fact I don't believe I've ever met a trans woman in real life, that I know of anyway.

I'm struggling to understand why it makes women so angry and also why men seem to be so universally hated on here in general. I've just been reading a thread about how they fear women and how they fear them having a voice and doing better than them. This just does not ring true for me - the men I know I just not like this!

Anyway I'm prepared to listen and find out more about this subject. I don't think you will actually peak trans me though...

Children are being put on lifelong medication meaning that they will never have normal sexual function. This is being done to children who like the 'wrong' toys for their sex. Many of these children would grow up to be gay. I suppose if you're homophobic and don't care about harming children you might see transgenderism as a good thing.

Thank you for some of these responses. Interesting to read and as a PP poster said does "break it down" for me.

I used the expression peak trans because I had kept reading it and had also read a thread about how people had managed to "peak trans" members of their family/people they know.

Username not meant to be goady have I mentioned that already?) (and also I hate that word 😩)

The men fearing women thing I picked up on and is something that worries me as I am bringing up boys. I don't want them to fear women, hold women back, use women for their gains, threaten women etc etc. I want them to see themselves as equal and respect women. In an ideal world there wouldn't be any difference to them at all in men and women's social standing by the time they are fully grown. It terrifies me that some people may believe there is something inate to them that will make them see women as lesser in some way. I don't believe this at all.

I do however completely understand that many women have been terrorised and victimised at the hands of men and want to be in safe spaces away from them.

I also think about what would happen if one of my children wanted to transition...

Why is it my job to peaktrans you? I don't want to peaktrans you I think you should do it for yourself.

Engage your brain, think deeply and critically about the issues on the FWR boards and decide for yourself who is right or wrong.

You don't have to agree with everything and I respect your right to hold a differing point of view. But it's your brain, your beliefs, your assumptions.. how can you ask anyone to peak you, you need to come to that conclusion yourself.

Do you think that Ian Huntley, child rapist and murderer is a woman?

Give us your stream of consciousness response in your reply.

@OldCrone definitely something I disagree with and would not do go my own children. My sons are free to play with any toy they like, express themselves how they like. This doesn't define their gender nor is their gender defined by it

@BertrandRussell didn't mean to conflate the two at all. Just that the issue with trans women for many is that they are in fact men.

I don’t think anyone hates men but this is one of the only public places on the internet where women can talk (almost) freely about very serious concerns we have regarding potentially losing hard won rights for women. Women are harassed and targeted because of our BIOLOGY and we need law that acknowledges the biological differences between men and women. Transwomen still have male bodies and a very high percentage of men who identify as trans (85-95%) do not have surgery to remove their penis and have no intention of doing so. The current trans umbrella includes a wide range of identities. The general public however are often of the impression that trans gender is the same as what used to be called transsexual. They assume that a person identifying as trans is going through the process of medical transition. This is no longer the case.

Thanks @inquiquotiokixul interesting to hear your viewpoints. I too have an issue with "boy likes dolls and plays with pink therefore must be a girl because all girls like playing with dolls and wearing pink"

I am bringing up boys. I don't want them to fear women, hold women back, use women for their gains, threaten women etc etc. I want them to see themselves as equal and respect women

Me too. However i accept that my boy does benefit from the patriarchy and will internalise ideas of male supremacy and all I can do is try to instill values that will counter balance this influence.
The idea that equality of the sexes will he achieved in our children's lifetimes is laughably unrealistic so we need to accept and live with what we have not pretend things aren't so because it pains us to think of our precious, lovely boys being part of the problem.

@Molokonono no I think he is an evil man. He had lived his entire life as a man and committed his atrocities as a man

Your children are being taught genderism in school. Teachers are being told not to tell parents if a child identifies as the opposite sex. You may not have as much control as you think.

Unfortunately though under trans ideology, which is forming the basis of law and policy around trans people, literally anyone who says they are a woman should be able to legally transition with absolutely zero gatekeeping or conditions.
Under self ID Ian Huntley will absolutely have the right to transition and move to a woman's prison. Nobody will be allowed to say 'hang on a minute'. That will be bigotry.

@NotANotMan I believe my sons can view and treat women equally. It may not be universal by the time they are adults but I believe I can bring them up in a way that they can contribute to making changes

Ok
I believe you are underestimating the influence of socialisation outside the family and home. I strongly feel that as parents of boys we need to accept that society influences our boys in harmful ways and we have to try hard to mitigate that but we cannot prevent it.

Unfortunately though under trans ideology, which is forming the basis of law and policy around trans people, literally anyone who says they are a woman should be able to legally transition with absolutely zero gatekeeping or conditions.
Under self ID Ian Huntley will absolutely have the right to transition and move to a woman's prison. Nobody will be allowed to say 'hang on a minute'. That will be bigotry.

no I think he is an evil man. He had lived his entire life as a man and committed his atrocities as a man

What is the difference between this man, and any other man wanting to call themselves women?

Peaked yet?

If mermaids or gires or gendered intelligence are advising your children's school, your children will be taught that they can change sex if they don't like being a boy or a girl. GIRES have material for children aged 3-6 showing sex-changing penguins who get to have a party if they decide to change sex. Don't assume your children are safe from this - and even if they are, do you care about other children?

OP-what did it for me was realising that there is no room for anything less than complete capitulation. So with self-id there is no room for:
but what about male prisoners?
and that's how you get Ian Huntley....

Didn't you read about Karen White? Part time cross dresser who has never even attended a gender clinic appointment. No physical transition at all, still has his penis. Rapist of women and children. Said I want to be a woman now and so the authorities all jumped to his command and found him a place in a women's prison (one that also has a mother and baby unit) and he proceeded to sexually assault 4 women who had no means of getting away from him.

If stuff like this doesn't make you see how women are being thrown under a bus I'm not sure what will tbh. Only a disgusting woman hating rape apologist could defend this.

I am as gender critical Rad Fem as they come thanks to these boards.

My 3 year old daughter loves pink, my little fucking pony and glitter, hair shit, jewellery and sparkles

She is exposed to too much in society for me to counteract. Plus I don't want to undermine her sense of self just as it starts to bloom.

So despite your best efforts, your boys are given strong messages about gender from birth.

In today's increasingly gender rigid society, we have to work really, really hard to put the other point of view across.

And the Trans ideology makes this eleventy time's worse

Bloody apostrophe - that's Apple's not mine

I'll answer your question about what about someone who genuinely does feel better living as a women and is on the verge of suicide until this decision is made and is therefore much happier? How do we make these people and all women feel safe?

If a man has a mental health problem so severe he is suicidal over the thought of his male body then that is a very sad thing and I would hope he could access services to help him. Maybe dressing as a woman helps him, no problem there.

None of that means everyone should be obliged to say he is a woman. It does not mean women and girls have to accept him as a woman. Nor should providers of women's services have to go along with his delusion. We don't do that with any other delusonal thinking.

Centre the women and girls. Let's say you have a women's hospital ward. The suicidal dysphoric male wants to be in the women's ward. It is reasonable and sensible for the women to say No to making an exception for him. They are ill and vulnerable they don't want a man in there. It is sad that he will feel severely depressed that this reminds him he is not actually a woman and has no right to be in a women's space. His feelings don't trump their feelings, he can't come in.

Think of it this way, if an anorexic person is suicidal because of body dysphoria, Slimming World still won't let them join despite the person saying being on a diet plan is essential to their mental health, despite the person saying they are fat too, despite the person getting seriously upset if anyone says they are not fat and don't belong there. Nobody blames Slimming World or its members for being anorexic-phobic.

Man is suicidal because he wants to have a woman's body and wants everyone to believe he is a woman. My heart goes out to him. Nevertheless the help he needs has to come from some other source than vulnerable women in a closed environment being required to pretend he is something he is not.

To be clear, he should definitely be given help for his dysphoria. However, going along with his delusion isn't a reasonable requirement on women and women's services. Saying no, is a perfectly reasonable thing to do and should be uncontroversial.

The thing I still don't get is what about men and women that genuinely want to transition as they feel they are in the wrong body and have no desire to do any harm to anybody, aren't doing it for their own gains (in fact probably harder for them to do than remain as their original gender).

I do however think it's preposterous that any man can call themselves a women and then invade women's space.

I find the whole thing very confusing and feel very conflicted.

I want nice, genuine people to feel happy and safe and idiots and horrible and evil people to lose their rights but then that's very simplistic and the world isn't like that.

I guess I'm just wondering what is the solution for the poor people that just want to "quietly transition" as a PP put it?

All it would take is to read ONE thread about this and anyone with half a brain would get it the issue. If you don't get it after reading lots of threads on here then I'm not sure anyone can help you.