Go on then, see if you can peak trans me...

[Rightlikeagirl]

I've come across so many of these threads at the moment on mumsnet and I'm interested/intrigued in them because I have never seen trans women (or men) as a problem. They don't affect my day to day life at all. In fact I don't believe I've ever met a trans woman in real life, that I know of anyway.

I'm struggling to understand why it makes women so angry and also why men seem to be so universally hated on here in general. I've just been reading a thread about how they fear women and how they fear them having a voice and doing better than them. This just does not ring true for me - the men I know I just not like this!

Anyway I'm prepared to listen and find out more about this subject. I don't think you will actually peak trans me though...

I believe the attempt at unpeaktransing was the assault on literacy that was ‘letter to the terfs’ by Helen/Mimmymum. It ended with a beautiful threat. Does anyone remember that? Is that still available? I believe it peak transed more than the original ‘letter to the woman who called me a terf’.

inquiquotiokixul When I went to sleep last night there was such a post here. Seems MNHQ think this post is acceptable though, I did report it 💁🏽‍♀️

OP

Have a read of the link in this thread from a Trans woman.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3381014-Pronouns-from-a-trans-woman?msgid=81466398#81466398

OP, why is "Go on then, see if you can peak trans me..." thread allowed here, but a "Go on then, see if you can unpeak trans me..." thread isn't?

What makes you think it isn't?

Go for it.

There was one up yesterday but it’s not there any more.

I didn't see the deleted thread. But MNHQ don't delete anything for being forbidden subject matter, only for breaking the rules of civilised conversation. An "unpraktrans me" thread that stays civil will not be deleted.

I disagree. MNHQ will delete threads they feel are "not in the spirit of the site".

I can confirm that the "unpeak" me thread was deleted.

Had placemarked to read if there were any interesting responses, because I have NEVER seen anyone "go the other way"!

Deletion message:
Hi all

We've had a couple of reports about this thread and after taking a look, we don't feel that it was started in the spirit of civil (or genuine) debate - we're taking it down now.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3381829-Go-on-then-see-if-you-can-unpeaktrans-me

Have you peak transed yet OP?

But it's surely not the subject matter that's "not in the spirit of the site" - obviously if the posts are rude/goady/personal attacks?

I guess the problem is that any "unpeaktrans me" attempt would have to start with a valid non-circular definition of "woman" and that has never even been attempted, let alone achieved.

Susie Green the head of Mermaids is on record saying something that utterly shocked me.

When her (then) son wanted to play with dolls and all sorts of girls' toys she says (in a Ted talk I think), something like 'so of course we took him to the doctor'.

Her assumption was that something must be wrong. Gender stereotyping was so ingrained in Susie Green she had no other explanation.

Her child was utterly miserable. Especially when Susie and her husband removed all their toys in a desperate bid to cure their child

That’s made me feel sick. My daughter wears boy clothes and plays with stereotypical boys toys and it’s not a problem. She was worried it was wrong until I reassured her otherwise. Now at primary she said she wanted to be a boy so she can do boy things and play with boys toys. I asked her what exactly can a boy do that she can’t? And she said a few stereotypical things like climbing trees and the like, and I told her she can do all of that too with practice. That’s all it took for her to get it. Your sex doesn’t define what you can and can’t do. Being my daughter though (she’s only four) she wanted to carry on the debate. Kept asking why she can’t be a boy, I explained that you can’t change sex. She kept asking why. She’s clued up on genitalia and that girls and boys aren’t different, so I was blunt. I said ok, if you want to look more like a man when you are older (note I didn’t say she can change sex) you have to chop your breasts off and be given a pretend willy. Her face was a picture. Absolutely horrified and she is only four and fucking gets it. Just to add, me saying that will not have traumatised her, the girl plays heart transplants for fun and likes to talk about chopping off heads and arms etc to become a zombie. But even she realised that mutilating your body to look like someone else’s is ridiculous. And that, is how easy it is to not start transitioning your kids. My younger daughter has actually had a transplant, I wonder what activists would have to say if her heart ended up coming from a boy and that’s why she likes cars

Quack I sincerely hope your daughter has recovered well from her transplant My DD was a tomboy for years, then changed to pink fluffy, then a butch lesbian. Finally at 26, she has decided she is Bi and that's fine. Children and young people just need time to explore themselves and decide what they want to be. That time is being taken away from them. This is so wrong and bloody frightening, isn't it?

tillytop Thank you. She is doing well, soon to be three years post op. She is only three and slightly delayed but my elder daughter is the four year old nearly five year old who was asking the questions. I don’t even think the younger one really knows the difference between boy and girl yet lol.

It is frightening and like you say, that time to realise who they are and accept their body etc is taken. It’s wrong, kids can’t decide big things like this so young, it’s why we have laws about age of consent etc. How they can be allowed to choose something like this is beyond me.

Quack for you and your daughters.
This is all such bollix isn't it. Glad your elder daughter can see through it, and glad your younger daughter has such wise guidance.

Persifleur Thank you. She knows how to argue lol. Ssometimes I’ve had to say I can’t argue with that, as I can see her point.