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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What peak transed you

309 replies

Politelygiveszerofucks · 29/09/2018 18:57

I know this has probably been done to death, not sure if there is another thread somewhere, but briefly, what was it that peak transed you? I don't mean long philosophical essays, but was there something or a specific incident which suddenly made that lightbulb switch on?

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CarolDanvers · 30/09/2018 00:49

When the Olympic committee changed their regulations around trans people competing, about two years ago. Suddenly I saw the potential repercussions and it it seemed so ludicrous and unbelievable, yet was actually happening. I really started looking at it then and couldn't believe what had happened so insidiously. For a while I felt scared and hopeless but recent events and the strength and work of the GC women I know is making me cautiously optimistic, I feel like people are waking up a bi, though I think we will be forced to make some minor concessions before it's over.

rightreckoner · 30/09/2018 00:59

Ironically it was the Guardian. I was reading an article about a person who committed a terrible crime. Attempted murder. The victim had life changing injuries. Yet the article was so weirdly, fawningly gentle towards the perpetrator - how very difficult things were for them, and how very understandable it was that they bludgeoned a man almost to death.

It was so odd and jarring and it put me on alert that something was going on.

The attempted murderer was Lauren Jeska- a trans woman who almost killed a man from the governing body of her sport because they said Lauren couldn’t compete against women. Lauren’s narcissistic rage got rewritten as victimhood and the victim became the mean person who was mean to poor dear Lauren. There was even an interview with Lauren’s nice, sad parents....

So in trying to propagandise me, the Guardian actually radicalised me. All by themselves. And that was before I knew one thing about this toxic agenda and all the danger for women therein. Nicely done, Guardian.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 30/09/2018 01:37

I was never on board, I kept thinking that no-one actually believes this, live and let live and the fad will fade.

Then I read the transcript from Venice's interrogation and Posie being interviewed by police and I got actually scared and shook with anger.
I realised that this is a trojan horse for actual authoritarianism, those spoilt kids playing Marxist comrades have no fucking respect for anything, especially how sacred and fragile our liberties are. It's not even fucking ancient history, they could talk to a living, breathing survivor of the actual gulags today.
But no, it's a joke to them.
I am incensed by these fragile douchebags thinking they get to rule society. This is how you get a reactionary swing. This is how you get Nazis and dictators. This ends badly for everyone and they don't see that they're useful idiots because no-one, no-one will back a revolution based on trans people

Yambabe · 30/09/2018 01:46

Eddie Izzard.

Loved him when he was a cross-dressing heterosexual male breaking boundaries.

Couldn't believe my ears when he started banging on about him being a "pioneer" of trans and having lady-genes. No. Fuck right off.

Then I started reading more, and the more I learned the more I peaked Sad

GlorianaCervixia · 30/09/2018 02:03

I was a self-congratulating, Jezebel-reading, handmaiden for a long time. Completely on board with the TWAW mantra for no other reason than it seemed to be an equivalent cause to women’s rights or gay and lesbian rights. They used the same language so I thought it must be the same thing.

I read Cordelia Fine’s book Delusions of Gender so I knew ladybrain wasn’t a thing but then I started reading FWR and lots of things I’d previously ignored came into focus. The no-platforming of Julie Bindel and Germaine Greer. The contemptuous language towards older women and mothers. The cotton ceiling. Lily Madigan. The sexist stereotypes about womanhood. Women’s sport being taken over by men. The incredible Magdalen Berns. The ridiculous Dr Harrop. When I realised I’d been put on a block list just for following radfems on twitter - I hadnt even posted anything, just followed - then I knew that TRAs and their followers are just people who hate women having their own opinions and being in charge of their own lives more than anything else.

And now women are being told that the dictionary definition of woman is “appropriating” womanhood. I’m furious that even being a woman now belongs to men.

I’m in Australia and I’m in awe at the women who have risked their personal safety, their jobs, their reputations to fight this. You are so brave. I’ve piped up on an Australian Mums group about this several times and am called a bigot etc but when I lay out the facts then I get lots of people tentatively poking their heads to say they are also worried. I have you all here to thank for that.

animaginativeusername · 30/09/2018 02:22

Didn't realise the impact and overriding issues self identity would create - until read about and saw videos of the WPUK meeting in Bristol , where women were blocked entry with masked men/women.

SeaWitchly · 30/09/2018 02:34

Caitlyn Jenner winning ‘Woman of the Year’ 🤨
Reading ‘I am Jazz’ at local library, a book promoting transgenderism to children and their parents (based on story of Jazz Jennings). Yes, of course this little boy was really a girl because he loved the colour pink, dancing and mermaids. What a crock.

SeaWitchly · 30/09/2018 02:38

And oh yes, who can forget the first ‘woman’ soldier to serve on the front line 😤

yorkshireyummymummy · 30/09/2018 02:44

I came late to the party.
I got a frisson of ‘ how can this be’ at Jenner getting woman of the year after wearing a frock and nail varnish for six months .

My moment of truth came watching INdia Willouby on CBB shouting at Anne Widdicombe and Amanda Barrie while jabbing a pointy finger right in their faces. Shouting and bullying in an aggressive, manly entitled way ‘ I AM A WOMAN. I AM A REAL WOMAN’
Yeah love, you keep saying it. Someone might believe you one day.

I was just amazed at his ( and I have to say him because I have never seen a woman behave like that) utter selfish entitled behaviour. EVERYTHING had to revolve around HIS desires, HIS expectations of how other people had t9 behave around him. I hated it so much and my DH got thoroughly pissed off with it taking us two hours to watch the show simply because I was so horrified I kept talking over what happened.
Anyway, then i found some threads on here and the full horror of the ‘ cult of Trans women’ was laid before me. I also spent weeks ( literally) on twitter and had to come off for my own sanity.
I’m in utter awe of the eloquent, intelligent women we get posting on the boards re trans. I have learned so very much and I thank you all.

I’m also so scared for my daughter and the things I took for granted ie only females in the Top Shop changing rooms have gone. Our rights - which we fought for so very hard - are being trampled on by a teeny minority of sexually deviant men and being given away by some bloody stupid women who follow the cult of trans like the children following the pied piper.

And madigan who apparently has periods. Fucking lying men.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 30/09/2018 03:33

Years ago I was reading an interview with Jan Morris, the travel writer. She had an anecdote about trying to get help in an airport but being ignored because, you know, woman-adjacent, so she used her loud, male voice and got attention.

And my thought was how strange that Morris could say she was a woman but call on male privilege when she wanted to.

And then when Germaine Greer opposed a trans woman as a member of her all-female college, and the terrible things said about GG for attempting to protect an important, woman-only space.

But decades before that, a friend of mine had minor gynaecological surgery and was place in a ward full of drag queens having “gender reassignment surgey”. It was all very odd and the thought I had when I visited her, was that those men believed they could do better woman than real women.

I have a young relative who has decided he’s a woman. I wish him happiness and safety, but I have deep concerns about the damage he’s doing to his psyche and physiology. I think his mental health issues have never need adequately dealt with and his “transition”, is a
way of being a non-masculine man in a world where gender expression has become so binary. I don’t talk about this to his family because they support his view of himself and I have no wish to cause hurt feelings.

Of course the transwoman who vandalised my house, terrorised my pets and threatened me with serious physical harm didn’t help moderate my GC views!

fidgetspinner555 · 30/09/2018 05:13

Cancer Research's "People with Cervixes" campaign.

I thought ok, I guess some women who want to be men might feel excluded.

Then I saw that their prostate cancer campaign still used the word men and I realised it was about erasing women.

fidgetspinner555 · 30/09/2018 05:56

....I've just read the whole thread and many of what peaked others also lead up to my final peak...though I peak every day now with every thing that's been happening lately.

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 30/09/2018 06:13

Caitlyn Jenner being given a Woman of the Year Award.

But it was simmering there for years. A selfish ex friend who was basically AGP being all Brave and Stunning all over social media despite what his actions did to his wife.

Coming here and learning of Stonewall and the Trans Umbrella

Oscarino · 30/09/2018 06:14

When I realised that there is no limit to the misogyny, entitlement and stupidity that will not only be accepted but applauded if the ‘trans’ label is hung on it.

The realisation that the above is true because women are seen as less than human - the concerns of women carry no weight against the demands of men no matter how objectively ludicrous and dangerous those demands.

The absolute glee with which ‘woke’ men and their handmaidens give voice to their now legitimised hatred of women. The ratification, by political parties, medical organisations and even the fucking girl guides, of the demonisation of those women who refuse to bend their necks and sacrifice their rights, interests and bodies to the ridiculous claim that TWAW.

I am beyond peak trans, I’m just about peak everything.

Annandale · 30/09/2018 06:15

Work. Months of being unable to cope with all the crap that arose for me personally when needing to work with transgender people to offer a specific health intervention. I was paying for my own counselling, paying for specific training, all to try and deal with the basic fact that i felt like i was in a room alone with a sequence of psychologically troubled but physically healthy men, while trying to behave as if i was in a room with women requiring health care. Dreaded every session. Shortly after pulling out of the whole area because i just couldnt stand it any more, i got a message from a professional board asking us all to refer to 'trans women' rather than 'transwomen' and i could see a path lighting up ahead from trans women to t women to women. Done.

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 30/09/2018 06:21

ToetoToe

OMG. What a child

Galvantula · 30/09/2018 06:29

I think I started reading around the time of L Madigan getting the women's officer post.

The man Friday campaign drew me in too, reading about swim England's confused new rules.

It's gone from there, I can't believe what I read every day now.

I'd started to chat a bit about it with work colleagues, bit am a bit nervous now as we had some Trans Education at work recently as part of an inclusivity drive.

VioletWillow · 30/09/2018 06:56

For me - either the cotton ceiling or the men in women's sports did my first peak trans.

KERALA1 · 30/09/2018 07:20

Do the girl guides realise what they have done? We were at a party on fri where this only came up because all the parents had the email and wondered what it meant. Dh calmly explained and peak transed every man in the room.

I feel transpeople should be treated with the same respect afforded to everyone else but I cannot will not believe you can change sex.

SophoclesTheFox · 30/09/2018 07:26

The post above about the Julie/Milo/Jane debate made me remember when I watched it. I watched it for the Julie/Milo showdown (which didn’t disappoint!), but as I was watching them spark off each other, i was thinking “why has that long haired fella brought his knitting and what’s he huffing and puffing about? If he doesn’t want to be there he should just leave”.

Hadn’t a clue who JF was (oh blissful ignorance).

I can’t tell my eyes not to see what they see

InionEile · 30/09/2018 07:56

It was Caitlyn Jenner that forced me to nail my colors to the mast and go full TERF. Up until that point, I had been fairly positive about trans issues, had no problem with gender neutral bathrooms and empathized with kids, especially, who felt uneasy about their assigned gender.

The nonsense spewed over Caitlyn Jenner gave me the dry heaves though. Someone who is rich, Republican, white, male gets to play the victim and bleat on about life as a ‘woman’ being all about picking a shade of nail polish and wearing nice dresses. And instead of people laughing this 70 year old dude with a cross dressing fetish out of the room, suddenly we’re supposed to honour her experience as a ‘woman’ and she wins a Woman of the Year’ award.

I remember at the time a journalist here in the US wrote an article criticizing CJ, saying it was insulting to women and feminism to trivialize our lived experience into nothing but nail polish and fancy dresses. I agreed with her 100% and shared and liked it on social media, assuming her views were pretty mainstream. I got some negative responses and one friend practically disowned me over it. It seemed like the whole feminist world had been captured by ‘woke’ TRAs who will not tolerate anything except absolute adherence to doctrine.

Then I found this MN feminist chat page and it was finally somewhere I could let off steam and talk freely. That’s why it’s so valuable to me.

ToeToToe · 30/09/2018 08:22

Here's one hot of the press - just posted on twitter by a transactivist:

Then why aren't they women? Because they were born with their vaginas inside out & their ovaries and clitoris tissues responded to the wrong hormones in utero? Why do you want to exclude trans women from womanhood?

Do you judge people on their belly buttons and handedness too?

I mean, where do you even start with this madness? This is anti-scientific flat-earthism.

We went from "the GRA will be introduced to allow a (legal fiction) a person suffering from gender dysphoria to be treated legally as the sex they have transitioned to" - to - "transwomen ARE biological women...their vagina was just made inside out" !!!

ToeToToe · 30/09/2018 08:24

*Oh and JUST GUESS who has liked that above tweet?

None other than Dr Harrop. An NHS doctor. (Apparently)

FowlerThanFowl · 30/09/2018 08:44

ToeToToe how the hell did that man become qualified as a doctor?? how long before he's in the news for physical crimes against women I wonder. He's got all the right "qualities."

ToeToToe · 30/09/2018 08:52

It's really quite scary isn't it?

I couldn't believe it when I c&p that deranged tweet - and there on the likes was the good doctor's gurning face Shock

What did he do in anatomy classes at MS? Put his hand up and say "I think you'll find that could also be an inside-out vagina..." ??