Shocking levels of transphobia

[Semp]

I have been lurking here for a while and reading through the posts on a daily basis. I am truly shocked with the levels of transphobia that exist on this board. I have read what has been posted and the arguments that have been put across against the reform of the Gender Recognition Act; and all I see are the same arguments that have been used in the past when it came to changes in the laws relating to any other minority. That being that predators will exploit this change to abuse women/girls, yet everytime this has happened in the past the claims that they would did not come to fruition.

I can see no change as to how things would be any different with this change. As now things currently stand trans women can already use womens toilets, are put on ladies wards in hospitals when getting treatment, can use female changing facilities in swimming baths and so on. This has been happening for decades and Armageddon hasn't happened.

There are many other areas of life that this energy could be and should be directed at, which would make a huge difference to the lives of women. Without victimizing and stigmatizing a minority group that already suffers enough as it is.

If you see transphobia, please report it. MNHQ will (and have) delete any posts that are transphobic

OTOH if you don't think that women being sexually assaulted in a prison by a known paedophile rapist is a problem, perhaps FWR isn't the right board for you to hang out

Yawn.

We have evidence of our claims, we have evidence of discrimination against women, we have evidence that ours is the majority view of the people in this country. 82% of the population oppose self-id. 82%!

And you are doing yourself no favours here, none, by minimising the threat of male violence - the greatest human rights issue on this planet - against women.

Take your own advice - spend your energy elsewhere.

Have you read this about a biological man who claimed he was a woman sexually assaulting and raping women when he was accommodated in the women’s prison?

I’m all for trans people expressing their chosen genders, but at the same time, I’m all for people who present as a certain sex being able to enjoy uni sex facilities.

Sex is biological, gender is a construct.

I think trans gender peoples can get their own loos and change rooms, until they’ve biologically transitioned, and then they’re welcome in their chosen sex determined space.

Personally I find the invasion of women’s spaces by biological men just another instance of erosion of women’s rights by men.

I find your OP a bit goady, and inflammatory tbh.

What they said ^

Please report all transphobia, MNHQ take it very seriously and will remove it.

What is left is not transphobia, just genuine concerns.

If you believe being able to identify sex is transphobic, thats your issue.
Not ours.

We are not anti trans.

We are anti self id which allows people with male bodies and penises to access the hard fought for female only places.

Why is that wrong?

1. The definition of “Trans” has changed.

It now includes cross dressers, men with AGP and others www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms#t In the UK, the previous definition covered 5,000 people. The new definition covers approx 500,000 people.

1. Consider some of the impacts of allowing this expanded range of people to be considered as “women” when they were born as men, or as “men” when born as women:

• it reinforces gender stereotypes, which is not good for anyone (male or female),
• it affects the privacy, dignity and comfort of many people (male and female) who want single sex spaces and single-sex health care professionals,
• it affects the access to facilities for people (male or female) who need single-sex spaces, including those with particular religious beliefs, some cared-for children, those having sufffered various traumas,
• it affects the physical safety and mental health of women in prisons, refuges, changing rooms and other places where single-sex spaces are provided,
• it prevents fair competition in sports, which will reduce the number of women participating, thus denying women the health and self-esteem benefits,
• it makes it impossible to track needed sex-based data such as gender pay differences, crime statistics, and health data.

There are other reasons, but hopefully that’s enough to give you a flavour of the concerns of the people of these boards.

These concerns are not Transphobic.

OP what is your definition of 'trans'.

The issue is around access to protected womens spaces being open to men on the basis of Self-ID. There is a Government consultation at the moment.

Hi Semp

Well done for delurking .

2 questions for you.

You’ve been reading daily and seeing shocking levels of transphobia - what did you do about those threads / comments?

You said;
There are many other areas of life that this energy could be and should be directed at, which would make a huge difference to the lives of women.
Can you tell me what activism you do on behalf of women or what activism you think women should be doing?

Thanks in advance.

Women, know your place!

Everything you said in your OP clearly illustrates that you have spent precisely no time lurking here, semp. Fess up. You just came here to shout at the nasty disrespectful women, didn't you?

OMG! Where?! Report now, OP

I love these threads. It's great they get started when we know loads of new people will be coming over to have a look after a big media interview.

They allow gender critical feminists to clearly lay out the perspective.

Many thanks OP

Yup, of course you’ve seen loads of ‘transhobia’. I believe you, OP. 🤥 Now if you could iIf just point them out, I’d be happy to report them. I’m sure you’ll be able to copy and paste at least half a dozen within the next hour. I’ll call back to read them later.

who was born Intersex, we have seen destroyed on these boards Intersex is completely different to trans, so with that, you’ve made a bit of a cock up. You were so convincing up until that point.

foxyliz I've reported your post. That last paragraph is ridiculous.

some MN posters with suspect religious agendas /objections want to see happened not only to Transsexuals , but we suspect if these people succed they will then move on to us elderly Lesbians ? Gay men ? then where Blacks? Jews ? Muslims ?

Hyperbole much?

It was, after all, trans activists, who suggested non-compliant women should be re-educated in gulags.

Are you really a solicitor? I suppose you have an excellent EA.

You have the whole rest of the internet to piss off to, yet you come here where you think it's 'transphobic' 🤔

foxyliz26, I don't understand your post at all. I have read countless times on this board that many of the women here have been fine with sharing toilets etc with transwomen for years. There are references, including some I'm sure I've read in the last day or so, to the "honour system" and concerns about "old-school transsexuals being thrown under the bus".

You seem to share the concern of many here regarding the recent swell in numbers of people identifying as trans, and the difference between them and the transsexuals you describe.

I do read people proclaiming that to be a female, one must have XX chromosomes, but I also read posts refuting that, and showing understanding for the cases of, for example, women with Swyer syndrome, who have XY chromosomes.

In the year or so of visiting this board pretty much every day, I have never come across anyone mercilessly berating an elderly transsexual, whether from afar or to their face when they have come onto the forum. In fact, I very rarely see anyone even reveal their age. That line about MN posters require at least one sacraficial person with a Transsexual past of 30 0r 40 years to destroy daily... where are you seeing this stuff? You know it's bollocks that you just made up, right?!!

MNHQ are really good at deleting stuff. Report it to them

fearandsurprise I posted link to the fair play campaign on my Facebook page and I've been roundly accused of transphobic.

Would you mind if I copied what you've written and put it in my defence?

Well Semp, given that many organizations already preempt self-ID, we are in the lucky situation to already know that perpetrators do indeed exploit it. Does Karen White ring a bell?
So spare me your faux concern and verbose emptiness. None are so blind as those who will not see, alright, but why they still feel the need to lecture others is beyond me.

Take some time to educate yourself about the evolution of women's rights in both domestic and international law. Women suffer discrimination and disadvantage because of biology. Resisting the appropriation of our experience and defending the language we need to describe and challenge the discrimination we suffer because of our biology is pro women. That you see it as 'transphobic' speaks of your own prejudices.

Nothing transphobic about being concerned about predatory men posing as females in order to get closer to potential victims. Genuine transwomen are also at risk from these people. Is it right that any bloke can sling on a dress and call himself Mandy, and this gain access to women’s spaces?

If all you’re seeing is the same arguments used against other equality campaigns then you simply can’t read or understand English very well.
I’m sure there’s some help you could get with that.