Posie on This Morning

[RepealtheGRA]

Posie Parker will be on This Morning tomorrow.

Not sure which TRA/AWA will be provided for her to chew up and spit out though.

I’ve had to have a pat down going through airport security plenty of times. Fine if it’s a woman. Not if it’s a man who now gets to touch women for a living simply because he put on a dress.

Hands Off My Rights - that metro article is written by someone fairly challenged.

'''After hearing that Kelli laughed, and when the presenter pointed out her dismissiveness, she said: ‘It’s absorbed.' ''

I think they mean 'absurd'.

I've caught up on twitter now, and apart from a few bleeding hearts bleating "why can't everyone be NICE?" the support is definitely for Posie.

it was pitched as such a personal attack against trans people

The Lisa Muggeridge vlog I linked upthread was recorded on Wednesday but is spot on about this.

Narcissists demand that you make it all about their identity and anything (including biology and language) that contradicts that must be brought under their control.

The FB posts are generally in support of Posie too.

I have noticed that on FB it often tends to be more pro trans. I wonder if its because if you comment on a FB post it comes up on all your friends newsfeeds and most people tend to use FB for their 'real life' friends, whereas might have a more anonymous twitter account where they feel comfortable speaking out more? It's certainly the reason I have never commented on anything on this issue on FB. I have a lot of shit going on at the moment and I just can't be doing with one of my friends misinterpreting what I have said, and causing drama. I know that is lame but it's just the way it is for me at the moment.

I think Posie took the wrong angle here. The point here was 'yes, you might be a somewhat plausible woman, but let's not talk about you at all, let's talk about the fact that Stonewall want to declare men with beards can be transwomen, that rapists can be transwomen, etc.'

Eamonn said 'Why does India threaten you?'

And India is sitting their sweetly next to Posie in the studio not looking very threatening at all.

She needed to shut that down right there and then. But then they kept at that bullshit angle.

Princess seems to have been banned for disregarding the boundaries is that mumsnet imposes.

Shock.

Absolutely, NoSquirrels.

Posie valiantly started to make this point - tried to say this is not all about India, but about females being distinct, as a class, from males.

It's not about India W. It's about women's rights and spaces (and bodily autonomy - no, I don't want a male who identifies as a female searching me!) remaining intact, and not eroded by male feelings.

Well done Posie for holding up under enemy for when vastly outnumbered! Tally Ho! Also, 'brave and stunning'

I haven't seen it but I don't see that Posie had the power to shift the focus of the interview.

She'd have had to state that IW's gender identity is of interest to IW, but she (Posie) was here to discuss the erosion of free speech, the right to state biological facts, and the erasure of womanhood.

It's very plausible, given what Holmes said later, that the interviewers wouldn't have allowed her to do that and painted her as avoiding the question.

It's bizarre - Joanne Gosling filled in for the TRA empty chairs on the Victoria Derbyshire show yesterday by being their voice and now This Morning seems to have taken a very partial attitude.

In the words of Dr Jane Clare Jones:

For those of you out there still sitting on the fence, or who still believe that I, and everyone opposing this ‘civil rights movement’, is just a nasty evil hate-mongering bigot, please, if you give one shit about women and the protection of women, wake-the-fuck-up. This is actually happening, it’s scary as shit, and we may well be running out of time. This is what woman-hating totalitarianism looks like. This is not a fucking drill.

I've been putting This Morning viewers to rights on Twitter.
I've complained to Ofcom. It was a quick call and maybe eamonn will think twice about agreeing it's ok for male bodied officers to search women.

Why would India need a shelter/refuge if she was raped? Surely she would just go to the police like a normal person?

On my version of the TM twitter, the top (most liked?) post says

Whilst i believe people can do whatever, i agree that i wouldn’t like the fact of a transgender person intimately searching me in an airport or my children!

So well done, Posie. The message got through.

Banned? Talk about narcisstic rage, eh?

So well done, Posie. The message got through.

Yep. After the behavior on CBB I suspect that India's poor little me act is also wearing a bit thin with many viewers.

I think Posie is doing a great thing, but she didn't come off well in this interview. She needs media training... it was very easy for the presenters to position this as an attack on India, and Posie could have come across as having sympathy for India's journey when she was asked, without betraying her values and saying that because IW has gender dysphoria it means that she is a 'woman'. I think it must be shit to grow up feeling like you're in the wrong body or whatever, but I still don't think IW is a woman -the two are not linked!

I just think Posie came across as hard nosed, and missed out on some opportunities to really put across the issues of self ID to an unaware public.

I fear that Posie will only have a certain amount of opportunities in the media before an opinion of her is formed, so it's important to get it right.

India is a WOMAN. Ive found this interview annoying

signed a female mother off 2 boys who might one day be women

Twitter's intellectual heavyweights really coming out in favor of the TRA position.

Angry

I think she did a great job.

This was a deliberate ambush. Women are entitled to talk about women's rights without having it made all about one trans person who's sitting opposite being all sad and victimised.

That Metro headline
‘Disrespectful’ woman faces backlash for laughing at trans women’s struggles during TV debate

Disrespectful Woman eh

That'd make a slogan

Did Princess not follow the rules that were brought in after trans activist pressure? I hear there used to be far more freedom of speech on FWR before MN got bullied.

FWIW I think Posie did exactly the right thing - she said her actual opinion, uncensored, unvarnished, gives no fucks. Her stance will gain her more views because it stated in such an uncompromising way. Her angle is free speech. This is about the liberty to say what you think. It's not even abusive speech, it's just stating basic facts, so why pretend? Being polite is not a higher virtue than the truth.
This will resonate.

Well what a shit-show of a programme that was. Respect her journey my arse. Why were they not asking serious questions about the law and safeguarding and violence against women? What the fuck are they on? How more patronising to their viewers could they be?

I thought posie did great. 3 on 1 and she still held strong. I think that interview has done nothing for TRAs, in fact silently peaking more out there.

Posie could have come across as having sympathy for India's journey when she was asked,

Are men expected to pretend to things they don't believe? Are men expected to be nice and sympathetic all the time?