Dr Nic FairPlay For Women on Victoria Derbyshire 10.15

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Or so I have just seen on twitter.

C'moooon Nic! We're all rooting for you!

Woodcraft Folk is mixed sex.

Love Nic. But why can’t girl guides be exclusively for Girls, whether they identify as female or male. The current policy chucks out girls who identify as boys....girls desperately need a single sex club/place to be just themselves. A trans girl could surely feel included in the scouts.

Unbelievable bias from the bbc - why don't people care about the safety of girls?

Can I just say I am disgusted that the NSPCC wading into this and not protecting girls - they can just sod off.

What happened to 'Be Prepared'?

Well I’ll suppose they’ll just stick the ovary owners on the pill.

Excellent post arranfan

I think this is one of the most sinister and worrying developments of all this. The Trans lobby have discovered a way of getting the BBC to speak for them, giving their batshit argument immense legitimacy.

Given how easily Posie dismantled Harrop on Sky, it's bloody obvious that an experienced television journalist putting points across is going make a difference to how the 'debate' is perceived. Viewers instinctively trust presenters because their job is to be the voice of reason. Especially on the BBC.

I think it's so interesting that they are back to doing #NoDebate on the grounds that to even discuss this would be discriminatory.

It is, quite simply, all they've got. The last few weeks have shown very clearly that the general public, when exposed to the detail and the consequences of the AWA push, think they are a bunch of complete fucking idiots. The only thing they can do is damage limitation by attempting to sweep it all away to the pretend moral high ground of "You don't need to know the details. We're just right. Shh"

I think this is one of the most sinister and worrying developments of all this. The Trans lobby have discovered a way of getting the BBC to speak for them, giving their batshit argument immense legitimacy.

I'm beginning to think the BBC is part and parcel with the trans lobby, tbh.

I'm beginning to think the BBC is part and parcel with the trans lobby, tbh.

I think this has been obvious for quite some time.

from Piper earlier this thread:

"I'm the mum of a Guide and for me it's not about that. It's about the fact that as a 13 year old my daughter is mortified about her changing body. She is exceptionally self-conscious and coming to terms with things like body hair and periods. If there were a transgirl in her Guides and going to camp, she wouldn't want to go. Not because she'd be afraid that the transgirl would leap on her and rape her, but because Guides is her safe space with women and girls only".

Thank you for articulating that so well. Yes, when the possible rape aspect is alluded to on tv/twitter, it's so very easy for the TRAs to launch on that and wrongly accuse us of deeming all transwomen rapists.
It's worth pulling it back a bit and saying it's enough that a girl will, at the very least feel horribly embarrassed undressing in front of a transgirl-
Why isn't that enough?!

I'm beginning to think the BBC is part and parcel with the trans lobby, tbh.

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

The Trans lobby have discovered a way of getting the BBC to speak for them, giving their batshit argument immense legitimacy.

Exactly. In the Sinn Fein situation, we could see them but they had to be voiced for what they'd actually said.

This way round, it's a trusted presenter, who has form for standing up for Equal Pay at the BBC and revealing her mistreatment by the BBC (she was asked to work on the day that she was due to give birth). And the BBC had control over the format - the story intro., the sad music. No balanced case of what it's like being a transboy who is managed out of a place of support and understanding in the Guides.

We are living through what Arendt warned about in The Origins of Totalitarianism.

I'm beginning to think the BBC is part and parcel with the trans lobby, tbh.

And one day, they're going to have to do a mea culpa that will dwarf the one they had to do over Savile.

Well don't the BBC have a disproportionately high number of TG people working for them?

Is there a key member of staff with the Victoria Derbyshire show though who is invested in trans-rights?

This was an important moment for Victoria Derbyshire, an unapologetically pro trans programme. It is the first time they have 'emptychaired' (Google it) a pro trans organisation, several of them. That's no doubt why VD (or whoever the presenter was) acted as their mouthpiece. I doubt they will be a mouthpiece in the same way next time. It was a soft landing for them into unknown territory. The nodebate tactic always needed calling out, and it's a signal that this is now permitted, and could be repeated. Pro trans organisations are now faced with the knowledge that if they pull out or refuse, an interview can go ahead with a feminist organisation. It's not a massive step but it is defin itely a step forward, almost regardless of what was said.

A pp said the NSPCC refused to debate a children's safeguarding issue and that stands out. It is phenomenally shocking.

There is certainly a trans BBC researcher who is retweeting mermaids, taking a very obvious public stance, responding to people like Jane Fae etc when they complain, talking about media hatred bigotry, and generally pursuing an extremely unbalanced social media path, which to my understanding is a breach of the BBC rules.

Thank you for articulating that so well. Yes, when the possible rape aspect is alluded to on tv/twitter, it's so very easy for the TRAs to launch on that and wrongly accuse us of deeming all transwomen rapists.
It's worth pulling it back a bit and saying it's enough that a girl will, at the very least feel horribly embarrassed undressing in front of a transgirl-

I agree and this is the main thrust of it for me, rather than the sexual assault thing. I know for a fact that as a 13 year old I would have been uncomfortable changing in front of a male bodied person. The thought that I could have been called 'bigoted' for having those feelings is really upsetting.

It should be enough that some girls just don't want to be in that sort of intimate space with a trans girl. And they should not be the ones having 'special arrangements' made if they are uncomfortable with it.

Well don't the BBC have a disproportionately high number of TG people working for them?

Just over 2%, so although not a high number, it's significantly higher than the often quoted 0.5% of the population. Of course, we don't know how senior or influential these individuals are.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5905129/amp/BBC-chief-stunned-secret-staff-sex-survey-reveals-417-workers-transgender.html

More influential than their numbers.

I agree and this is the main thrust of it for me, rather than the sexual assault thing. I know for a fact that as a 13 year old I would have been uncomfortable changing in front of a male bodied person. The thought that I could have been called 'bigoted' for having those feelings is really upsetting.

It's the secrecy aspect too. That it's something that shouldn't be discussed or that parents don't need to know.

I'm not happy with leaders encouraging children to keep secrets from their patents, or saying to girls that they can't express their discomfort.

Charlie, interesting about the empty chairing, and I think you are right. The mistake I think they have made is thinking that they can escalate it and still do #nodebate simultaneously forever. Eventually if they kick up enough of a stink, ordinary people will be engaged enough that they will hear the other side, and guess which side people actually agree with?

Good point about the empty chairing, hopefully it means things are changing.

It's reminded me of HIGNFY and the guest who didn't show up so they put a tub of lard on in his place. Who was the guest, does anyone remember?

That was Roy Hattersley on HIGNFY. Or not on it, to be more accurate.

Bang on Bird. Anti-woman activists will be reflecting very bitterly on the fact that the BBC's great bastion of pro trans propaganda, the Victoria Derbyshire programme, is prepared to say 'fine, we will do it without you' .

I think people should still complain at the shocking hostility of the interview and the appealing bias throughout, including that awful exploitative film, though.