Dr Nic FairPlay For Women on Victoria Derbyshire 10.15

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Or so I have just seen on twitter.

C'moooon Nic! We're all rooting for you!

So she was going to do her best to give the opposing view herself.

Well she was great at the emotional manipulation part wasn't she. Hardly seemed to find it an uncomfortable position.

They are talking about parental leave right now, and discrimination against women re maternity etc, and she is totally different in attitude. And no opposing views that I could see.

All the speakers were women talking about the effects of having children though (not a father anywhere) so it does make the BBC look extra biased re the trans issue when they come over all mad.

What happened to 'Be Prepared'?

I just wish she'd made the point that we have sex segregation for a reason and that, once puberty and sex drive kicks in, we don't have male and female children/teens together in intimate spaces for a reason.

Being trans has no impact on sexual attraction nor sexual urges not sexual behaviour that I am aware of. It certainly hasn't in the very high profile cases we've read about recently.

Oh and the inability of parents to give informed consent. Even if 99% of parents would consent to their daughter sharing a sleeping/changing/showering space with a male child, the 1% who wouldn't should retain the right to exert that choice?

And the safeguarding/risk assessment statement. Surely these were done when it was decided to keep male and female children separate in the first place. Surely that decision was the outcome of a risk assessment.

What is it that they believe counters the biological aspect?

If male children/adolescents aren't a risk to female children's safety/privacy/dignity, then why on earth do we separate them in the first place? Why do we not let them share as par for the course?

I'd have liked to see the interviewer respond to these points.

Hopefully with something other than "but they identify as a girl".

With all the interviews and media attention I keep thinking of those Armstrong & Miller sketches "It's all kicking off!"

Well done Dr Nic.

Mermaids, Stonewall - no show. Telling.
NSPCC - no show on a safeguarding issue for children. Disgusting.

Did anyone else think it was very telling that Lily's mum said that Guides is meant to be all about teaching girls to be loving and caring?

Yes.

What happened to 'Be Prepared'?

That's for the boys; the scout motto.

When i joined, the Brownies motto was

"Think of others before yourself and do a good turn everyday"

I doubt it's changed much.

Think of others before yourself translates as 'your boundaries are mean'.

To reiterate (because I am spitting feathers on this!), I have never before come across a BBC journalist being obliged to uncritically channel the arguments from the "other side" if they couldn't be bothered to show up.

Present them, yes. Say, "mermaids would argue that..." and let Nic respond.

She absolutely should not be saying "But they is no evidence they are a threat" as though that is accurate and then finish with giving the absentees the last word.

Disgraceful and biased.

Did anyone else think it was very telling that Lily's mum said that Guides is meant to be all about teaching girls to be loving and caring?

How very Baden-Powell to think Girls Organisations should be all about socialisation.

Apt Medium article: Men Dump Their Anger Into Women

Why is the less violent gender the one learning all the emotional self regulation?
Because women are expected to regulate the emotions of men as well as themselves. They have to sharpen their emotional regulation skillz because they’ll be regulating for two even when they’re not pregnant. This has been a thing that’s starting to get noticed in feminist circles; the concept of unpaid emotional labor that women are expected to supply. This takes many forms (and I’ve written about this before) and at its most benign looks like listening, support and empathy. However, as it becomes more noxious, women are expected to read the emotions men and proactively protect them from their own negative emotions.

medium.com/@emmalindsay/men-dump-their-anger-into-women-d5b641fa37bc

Nic is rocking it on TalkRadio at the moment

talkradio.co.uk/

Mike Graham - only it is a woman

I agree FlowerpotFairyHouse

I think the trouble is that the emotionally manipulative biased and repetitive and logically bizarre questioning makes it very difficult to respond with all your points - it throws you. And that is the intention after all.

Perhaps the tactic needs to be to rehearse a speech and plow on regardless. The BBC has shown it can't have a good faith discussion after all. But the it can look like rhetoric that can't stand scrutiny.

Either way, the BBC sets the GC women's argument up to lose - but they don't suceed.

Arranfan totally agree with your point about male anger and regulation, projection etc.

Pertinent when it comes to not upsetting some trans people too.

Depending on their reason to be trans/ additional diagnoses, some may have special reason for girls to be trained not to challenge or confront them/ risk poking the hornets nest.

Tara Hudson anyone?

Froom

Nic did point out several times that transgirls have male bodies.
I was astonished when Joanna said that girls could be at sexual risk on camp from other girls or did I imagine that ?
In 30 years of Guidiing,not aware of once, Joanna
Nic did brilliantly and came across so sensibly,despite hostile and frankly verging on nonsensical questioning which it would be a struggle to prepare for

Interesting that none of the trans rights groups were available to defend their position. Is this part of their #NoDebate policy? Or were they afraid that their arguments don't stand up to scrutiny?

There seems to be quite a bit of flip-flopping going on as on Monday TELI, Stephen Whittle and Tara Hewitt were upset that they had been cancelled becausethe 'bigotted transphobes' (Fairplay for Women / Helen Watts ?) "wouldn't" discuss with them...

At some point the BBC is going to have to clarify what goes on behind the scenes. It is becoming clear that somes sources are not reliable sources.

Amazing radio interview. They actually let her talk.

Agree, Mimi, Joanna was uncritically repeating the nonsense idea that there was no risk because "identity".

I wonder if she's heard of Karen White? Or met any teenage boys?

Its worth being aware of Victoria Derbyshire's long-standing relationship with Mermaids and some of the children associated with the charity.

THis was made explicit in a program shown in July 2018:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294478-Victoria-Derbyshire-show-today-transgender-children-buying-time-by-delaying-puberty

If a transgirl can't go to Guides, what other options are available that give the same opportunities?

Well Scouts for a start. No issues there at all, they're quite able to handle mixed sex meetings and overnights and ethos, they're a mixed sex organisation.

If a girl who's faith doesn't allow going to meetings or camps with boys/ needs a single sex organisation for other reasons can't access Guides, what other options are available that give the same opportunities?

None.

Why do male bodied people have to have everything ? Why cannot even one thing be allowed for the girls who have no other options?

Lads get choices
Girls don’t

Remember when UK broadcasters were subject to a ban on Sinn Féin spokespeople, - a ban that wasn't lifted until 1994? When Stephen Rea et al used to have to voice the part of the interviewee?

www.thejournal.ie/broadcast-ban-uk-30-years-3816443-Jan2018/

At least they voiced what the interviewee had said, they weren't in loco locuteris or anyone who refused to turn up.

Thread collating the failures / failures of Safeguarding & ChildProtection frameworks:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

If a transgirl can't go to Guides, what other options are available that give the same opportunities?

Woodcraft Folk?

She was good on Talk Radio just now...wasn't a hostile environment.

Extreme sexism in action.

Male bodied girls must have access to everything on principle, even if they don't need it and it means that some female bodied girls will have nothing.

Again proving by their actions that no one actually believes transgirls are girls, no matter how much they keep repeating it. The ones getting the lions share of resources, consideration, respect and enabling will always be the ones with the penises at the expense of the ones with vulvas. It was one of the reasons for GG to exist in the first place.

Debate continuing on Mike Graham. Very gender critical.