Girl guiding email to parents.

[Wildboar]

Has anyone seen the mass email sent out this evening? They haven’t acknowledged any concerns put to them. All they have stated that there is no risk and they won’t inform parents of transgender members due to data protection laws.

Regardless of what risk I personally ascribe to these particular people (none, as it happens), changing safeguarding rules on a case by case basis is the short road to safeguarding failures.It’s too easy for people to NOT stick their heads above the parapet (Savile et al). GG have just demonstrated what they’ll do to people raising safeguarding concerns - no protection for whistleblowers. It’s too easy to be influenced as an individual on a case by case basis. Every argument becomes about that ONE person you’re denying an opportunity. You’re asking individuals to risk assess. It’s poor policy.

This

Who was it who said everything they touch turns to dust.

Ugggg
I completely agree with you. This cannot be allowed to stand.
If the massive organisation that is Girl Guides U.K. can publicly burn safeguarding (this email is a further attempt.) after lying to parents.
Then go on to get parents to agree to their pretence and girls to agree because of fear of being called “ Bigots” Then the floodgates are wide open.
This really must not be allowed to stand. There needs to be an organised boycott so they can get the message.

It is important to us that we listen to girls and young women, 86% of whom have told us, through the Girls’ Attitudes Survey, that they do not think people should be discriminated against because they are transgender.

I don't get this at all. This isn't actually the question here is it? The question SHOULD have been something like "would you feel comfortable sharing a tent at summer camp with someone who has a penis?"

Or similar.

No girl or teen is going to want to come across as someone who is discriminatory and bigoted in 2018! Of COURSE 86% said that. Good for them.

The actual question was misleading and I doubt truly reflects what the girls really would think.

well, I'm convinced by it - 'It does not' is such a complete argument full of facts that refute those safeguarding concerns at a really intellectual level. Its very hard to argue with now I know 'it does not

Well, "no is a complete sentence" and all that

Has anyone's Girl Guiding email disappeared?

I’m properly frustrated as well by the supportive responses on Twitter to this “announcement”. Parents/members/people congratulating them on their inclusivity and forward-thinking.

I’m not a fucking bigot. I want the ‘genuine’ trans kids to have good childhoods. I’d probably vote for a change in the GG policy IF THEY CONSULTED WITH MEMBERSHIP and IF THEY ACKNOWLEDGWD SAFEGUARDING CONCERNS.

But you can’t just say “it’s all ok, trust me”. I don’t any more.

Has anyone's Girl Guiding email disappeared

Two people on this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3373458-girlguiding-expels-leaders-who-question-trans-policy?msgid=81313787

So, what can we do? I've email GG telling them how they've allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the fear of being 'non-PC' and how disappointing it is, and how, if this scuttles GG, they can reflect how it was a bunch of men who incited that, and how they cravenly went along with it.

They've recalled the email? I didn't think that worked if sending to external mailboxes?

What a totally disingenuous email from GG.
Why didn’t they print the truth:
“We will force your daughter to stand naked in a shower beside a naked penis, and call her a bigot if she objects. And we will not inform you in advance, or at all. We think this is adequate safeguarding.
Best, GG”

I also got the email and also want to respond in a concise and measured fashion, without getting the rage about legitimate concerns being described as 'noise', how fucking patronising can you get? Why do they not understand that It's not about excluding trans children it's about, at one end of the scale, reducing opportunities for predatory men, and at the other allowing girls a space where they don't have to deal with gender bullshit for an hour or so a week. Be trans inclusive by giving girls transing to boys the chance to stay in the GG, whilst challenging the regressive gender stereotypes that have led us to this unbelievable juncture.

If anyone has already composed the concise and measured response I'd love to read it...and maybe, ahem, paraphrase it. I'm getting tired of all this now, and my head hurts .

They tweeted it when they sent it, I’m not convinced it’s been recalled... mine went to junk/spam, though.

Everyone who thinks as most people on this thread needs to boycott them. They are so arrogant to think they can continue without members.

If anyone has already composed the concise and measured response I'd love to read it...and maybe, ahem, paraphrase it.

I’m just responding very simply to say:

Thank you for this email.

Please could you confirm that Girlguiding is now a mixed sex organisation for both leaders, helpers and young people?

Well I wouldn’t want transgender people to be discriminated against if I was asked.

I wouldn’t want them to be turned down for jobs they were qualified for, I wouldn’t want shops to refuse to serve them, I wouldn’t want people shouting abuse at them in the street, etc.

But I also don’t want them in women’s spaces inc girl-guides

Saying that you don’t think they should be discriminated against is not the same as saying you agree they should be in the guides!

Yes Nosquirrels that pretty much covers it

Thank you some common sense spoken melamin

"Refusing to comply with our policies is unacceptable"

Do they not want to encourage young women to form their own informed and varied opinions?

Nosquirrels I've just sent your email back. Thank you for helping me cut through the rage induced rant that i wanted to send

Babdoc
If I take my brownies away on pack holiday they do not share showers at the same time. I wouldn't expect a girl to shower naked next to another girl. They are all entitled to privacy to shower.

I've just replied to mine and asked them to guarantee that my DD will not have to share sleeping or showering facilities with someone with a penis. Doubt I'll get a reply.

I am beyond angry! And I'm not directly involved, being the parent of 2 late teenage boys, both of whom went through the Scouting movement (and I readily concede I complained on here how the sheer number of girls in Beavers were skewing the offered activities, citing 'They have their own organisation, barred to boys' - well, apparently not any more....).

Although it will be disappointing to read, my hope is that those who authored the email thought they were just dealing with housekeeping, 'Oh yeah, were cool with introducing recycling bins in all GG facilities'; 'We're think 2 adults should supervise every fire pit'; 'We're relaxed about making your teenage daughter sleep in the same bedroom as a teenage boy, as if she, or you object, you're bigot'......next. But hopefully have been forced into rethink.

IME most organisations spouting this bullshit have no understanding of the implications of it, but the trans-activists know exactly how to target their pseudo- PC sensibilities, however ill informed.

Just checked and my email is still there so not been recalled. Just trying to make my way through it .....

#intherealworld my DD shared a room with 3 other girls Brownie holiday and a tent at camp. They don't all have single rooms. They had to get dressed and undressed in front of each other.