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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girl guiding email to parents.

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Wildboar · 25/09/2018 18:36

Has anyone seen the mass email sent out this evening? They haven’t acknowledged any concerns put to them. All they have stated that there is no risk and they won’t inform parents of transgender members due to data protection laws.

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VickyEadie · 26/09/2018 15:03

Anyone - where's Lisa Muggeridge's video on this? Can't find it again!

lydiamajora · 26/09/2018 15:07

Vicky I believe it is still up on her youtube account, is it not?

VickyEadie · 26/09/2018 15:08

Can't find the one I'm after though. I thought we had a thread on this board with it on?

VickyEadie · 26/09/2018 15:10

Got it!

lydiamajora · 26/09/2018 15:13
Grin

It's a good one. Love Lisa and her habit of slicing through bullshit.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 26/09/2018 15:56

Lisa M video re grooming red flags in GG third comment down

deepwatersolo · 26/09/2018 15:58

Vicky, there are several videos where she says women need to stop engaging and say 'no', set boundaries (and let the narcisstic rage play out and thus demonstrate why the 'no was necessary).Here are two, the first one is probably most to the point:

Italiangreyhound · 26/09/2018 17:30

Hideandgo "I’m off to email GG my support again so that they get some positive feedback in among all the negative."

Just out of interest how will you support your daughters in GG of they don't want to share with a boy who believes himself to be a girl?

Will you tell them they are being silly?

Will you be happy sharing a room or showers with unknown males on your next business trip?

Elephantinacravat · 26/09/2018 17:39

People like @WittyName4 and @AmyRhodes really fucking piss me off because they come on to these threads looking for virtue cookies saying absolutely nothing of substance, and unable to back up anything they say. They call us bigots transphobia and tell us that we should be be kinder. And when they are pressed on the simplest of questions such as 'define woman' or 'why do you think sex and gender are so interchangeable when women's oppression is based solely on biological sex' or 'what is a transwoman transitioning to and from' they fuck the fuck off the thread and no doubt go back to their friends and tell them how 'transphobic' MN is. How fucking dare they do that.

Throwing women and girls under the bus to make yourself feel more woke and 'kind'. Nice.

MaybeDoctor · 26/09/2018 17:42

Ok, I have contributed a personal example of a safeguarding fail on a GG trip and it seems to have sunk without trace amid distractions/rows. Hmm

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 26/09/2018 17:45

That's why they do it ele

Italiangreyhound · 26/09/2018 17:57

VickyEadie o am so sorry for your best friend. Angry Sad

MipMipMip · 26/09/2018 18:08

I can define women without any of that nasty sciency stuff.

Women: the ones who get shat on from a great height.

Hideandgo · 26/09/2018 18:19

MipMip, trans people fit right in then.

Hideandgo · 26/09/2018 18:23

MipMip, trans people fit right in then.

Hideandgo · 26/09/2018 18:23

MipMip, trans women fit right in then.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 26/09/2018 18:24

MipMip, trans women fit right in then.

If they know what it is like, why are they (as a collective) taking rights from others?

BertrandRussell · 26/09/2018 18:25

Hideandgo- How do you think this policy will affect Muslim girls?

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 26/09/2018 18:26

If you are from a group that is a minority which has to fight for rights, you don't do it by removing them from other groups in similar situations.

FermatsTheorem · 26/09/2018 18:26

MaybeDoctor just scrolled back to see your post (sorry - easy to miss things in a very long thread, and when you're out at work etc.). Yes - absolutely.

The incident you describe is so like many that happened in my teens. I remember on one school trip one of the outdoor ed instructors trying to groom a friend of mine who had obvious learning difficulties - I and another girl watched her like a hawk to make sure she didn't go out on the town to "meet her new boyfriend". (We were all 14, btw). But what if a predator like that had been able to find an easy way to access the girls' floor of the accommodation, rather than having to try to lure her out to a bar? Bang goes a layer of safeguarding.

And at the risk of sounding like something out of "American Pie", some of what went on at my Youth Orchestra, in terms of older men grooming and molesting teenage girls, was just terrible. Back in the 80s we had no adults in a position of authority to tell us it was wrong, either. The adults who did find out would just tut, and mutter about "jail bait" and blame the girls.

That's what this situation is going to take us back to. Driving a horse and cart through safeguarding, so that girls no longer have their boundaries reinforced by adults, but instead have their boundaries systematically dismantled ("Feeling uncomfortable about showering with someone with a penis? You bigot, you.")

Sorry for what you went through, Doctor

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 26/09/2018 18:30

For this to work you can't just have one group dictate new rules to another and expect them to lay down and take it.

It need discussion, it needs to be open, it can't constantly be silenced and shut down, nothing will be achieved like this.

BertrandRussell · 26/09/2018 18:36

I agree. The problem is that in most issues about trans/non trans people, compromise is possible. But there are a few areas where it just isn’t - where it is impossible to reconcile conflicting rights. In this case, for example, the rights of trans girls and the rights of Muslim girls. I don’t know the solution - maybe transgirls should go to Scouts instead? But I do know that #nodebate will get us nowhere.

stillathing · 26/09/2018 18:37

I'm sorry too doctor. I know both what it's like to be abused by someone with a position of authority and what it's like to be open about a painful event and feel completely dismissed.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 26/09/2018 18:39

This is why GG needs to open discussion about safeguarding and make policy's transparent.
It doesn't make people bigots for wanting communication channels open.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 26/09/2018 18:46

I firgot which poster first posted it but that layer of cheese safeguarding thing was awesome

Should be a sticky...

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