Girl guiding email to parents.

[Wildboar]

Has anyone seen the mass email sent out this evening? They haven’t acknowledged any concerns put to them. All they have stated that there is no risk and they won’t inform parents of transgender members due to data protection laws.

WittyName4

You are Stephen Whittle and I claim my £5.

I am not insisting on a ban for all transgender people - read my posts, I’ve repeatedly stated my position, including my opinion that case by case safeguarding is no sort of reassurance to me AT ALL and shouldn’t be to you, either.

The woke who believe trans women are women don’t give 2 flying fucks about anyone else
Not 2 flying fucks
Fuck off women and girls cos your options fears thoughts worries critical thinking are just nothing
Cos after all we are just women and girls

Honestly?

The idea of 2 13yo girls canoodling on hols gives me much less of the heebyjeebies that a boy and a girl.

Girls esp ones interested in girls are not as likely to be soaked in violent abusive AKA standard het porn.

Male and female sexuality is DIFFERENT. Because our bodies and what they do are different.

Stop drawing comparisons between lesbians and males.

Perhaps opening a dialogue with your local GG club for some assurances or even asking to see the control measurements that go on risk assessments for overnights/changing rooms would be more productive than insisting on an outright ban on transgender people?

Isn't the point though that dialogue isn't allowed? Everything has to be shrouded in secrecy? And if you are a leader and speak up about it, because you are not sure that it is possible to offer the privacy, safeguarding and dignity that girls deserve under the current policy, you will get chucked out?

History will not look kindly on a lot of the views expressed on this thread.

they will only have a problem with trans girls if they continue to insist they are not female

This is probably the most sinister thing I’ve ever read on here

You are trying to mandate what people can think and believe.

It actually makes me feel dizzy and sick.

It’s about safeguarding
What is so hard to understand. Just what ?

@CaptainKirkssparetupee

I'm not sure how that moves the debate along. It's simply what I believe, I don't know why you find it robotic sounding 🤔

@Elephantinacravat

Um, quite obviously the prefix "trans" makes it quite a lot easier for all of us to engage in this debate without confusion 🤦🏻‍♀️

@dolorsit

Yes, I do. I've never thought about how some people define "women" and "female" as different.

History will not look kindly on a lot of the views expressed on this thread.

What are the views expressed on this thread?

Perhaps opening a dialogue with your local GG club for some assurances or even asking to see the control measurements that go on risk assessments for overnights/changing rooms would be more productive than insisting on an outright ban on transgender people?

Yes cos that's worked so well for leaders who have asked questions hasn't it...?

Ok then secret

Yes, it is so revealing the cool mums are quite ok with excluding any number of girls so they can get the headpats for prioritizing the male bodied 'girls'. And that they accuse other women of being 'bitchy' for noticing that someone is male bodied while presenting as female.

@Redkeyboard apologies - not Transgender Trend, Transmedia Watch!

From their guidance:

Guidance created in partnership with the charity Mermaids.

For any further questions related to Scouting, please contact [email protected]

External organisations

Mermaids: Offer information and support for young people, family members, professionals and others who are worried about a child or young person. Run by a support group of parents/carers. The website includes a free booklet on young people’s experiences (PDF).
Website: www.mermaidsuk.org.uk
Email: [email protected]
Telephone: 020 8123 4819

Gender Trust: Charity supporting Trans* People and all those affected by gender identity issues.
Website: gendertrust.org.uk
Email: [email protected]
Telephone: 01527 894 838

Cornwall Schools Transgender Guidance
Accessible via this link

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Website: genderedintelligence.co.uk/

Trans Media watch: Help and advice on media intrusion for trans people and groups that support them
www.transmediawatch.org/people.html

they will only have a problem with trans girls if they continue to insist they are not female

If you stop struggling, I won’t have to hurt you.

Female is a biological descriptor for the record. Makes have a functioning Y chromosome. Females do not. Man and woman are the words that describe the people that have those biological attributes.

We need to keep these words.

LemonJello. Bloody hell. That is very stark. And spot on.

"
I'm sure there will be appropriate safeguarding in place so no one will be forced to shower naked with anyone or share a tent on their own with anyone they feel uncomfortable with. I'm sure this is already in place and will continue to be."

GG policy is explicit that
Neither children nor parents will be consulted if they are ok with sharign with a transgirl
Transgirls are girls so there is no risk assessment needed
A girl who feels uncomfortable should be re-educated and will be viewed as akin to racist
The transgirls preferences should be met (sharing / not sharing), the preferences of the girls are not mentioned at all in the policy. They are no considered, they are not supposed to be considered. Because transgirls are girls and why would any girl object to sharing a tent with anotehr girl on a trip.

@LemonJello

I usually don't like to adopt the Mumsnet vernacular, but:

Um, quite obviously the prefix "trans" makes it quite a lot easier for all of us to engage in this debate without confusion

But what is there to debate, if trans women are so irrefutably women and exactly the same as women and female then what is the need for the debate or the distinction?

If you were referring to a transwoman rather than a woman, why would you be using the trans prefix? What would that prefix be signifying?

Policy

www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen/running-your-unit/including-all/lgbt-members/supporting-trans-members/

"It is not a requirement - or best practice - to tell parents that a trans person will be attending a residential event."

AmyRhodes

Any response to my question about why we don't just mix the sexes all the time vis a vis sleeping accommodation, changing, showers, etc?

"As an inclusive organisation, we strive to ensure that all of our members are supported to reach their full potential and so we will ensure that we support all young trans members to have access to the accommodation and facilities that they feel most comfortable using. The most important thing is to not make assumptions and to speak to the young trans member about their wishes and what would make them most comfortable and supported. Some may prefer to use communal spaces, while others may prefer more private or separate spaces."

No mention of considering how all the other girls feel.

I'm not sure how that moves the debate along. It's simply what I believe

Laws are based on measurable facts and definitions that stand up in law.

Beliefs can be ‘respected’ (tolerance of religious difference etc) but laws are not based on beliefs.

So that’s why it’s impirtsnt and would ‘move the debate along’ if we could get to a workable definition of ‘woman’ and ‘man’.

You can say “I believe it so it’s true” but you can’t accuse others who don’t believe the same thing as you of hate speech, bigotry or anything else. That would be like compelling thought and speech, which I assume you’re against as you’re in favour of more tolerance for all people.

they will only have a problem with trans girls if they continue to insist they are not female

Meanwhile in the real world, humans with vaginas and uteruses can get pregnant, and can be penetrated with or without consent. Humans with penises cannot get pregnant, and can penetrate.

I will continue to be obsessed with genitals whilst humans owning a particular type use them as a weapon. I wish the people advocating to abolish single sex provisions would put their considerable influence and connections to better use.... How about ending endemic male violence? Then come back and tell me how sex doesn't matter and I might have more time to listen.