Missing in Action

[frogintheTyne]

Where is the bewilderness?

I miss her!

YANBU. I guess we can confirm or dismiss the theory based on whether any of the people arguing with that commenter get banned.

This right here pretty much sums up the problem for gender critical feminists. A handful of activists are being allowed to make policy and influence legislation on the basis of views that are so ludicrous, the rest of the world can’t believe anyone actually holds them.

Whenever I try to discuss self ID with people who are relatively uninformed, I have to spend the first few minutes just battling through their suspicion and scepticism that anyone can really, genuinely be arguing the things that trans activists are arguing.

Then, when I do persuade them that some people hold these views, they assume such people must be such cranks and eccentrics that their influence is insignificant. NOPE. They are currently shaping policy on sex and gender in pretty much every political party and public sector org.

This has been my experience exactly.

(Mitmoo! there's a blast from the past!)

PinkWombat

Mumsnet doesn't need to offer any kind of explanation and to think that having been on this website for x number of years gives you any kind of privilege is deluded - as has been shown by the swift removal of those culprits who continuously flaunt the rules and test the mods patience.

I bet you wag your finger at people in real life.

BTW flaunt doesn't mean what you think it does. When lecturing others, best not to leave an opening like that.

The gulag threat of the Goldsmiths group was prescient. SM silencing is the 2018 gulag. Like others who have had similar treatment in similar regimes, to prevent their voices being heard, the organisation goes on in different RL and alternative media. We shall overcome. We always do.

Wombat - a rather dumb Australian marsupial that gets a spray of pink paint once the deceased's pouch has been checked for young. Nice screen name.

Mumsnet have made it very clear that they're uncomfortable hosting the trans debate (battle)

Your side says #nodebate, and have already decided that 'woman' is terra nullius and up for grabs. Original inhabitants of 'woman' beg to differ. If indeed you are an actual woman, then you are a doormat, welcoming in the invaders of 'woman'. You may wish to get a clue as to the overall game plan here. Or perhaps you have, and sellouts like yourself assume you will get a cozy protected space within the new regime? Good luck with that. It's always conditional. You won't like the actual strings attached.

My PSA comes from outside the so-called "little GC clique", as I don't think any poster here at FWR has ever responded to me or quoted me. But I post occasionally anyway.

Since all this started I've met and made friends with a lot of phenomenal women. We talk. We plan. We campaign. We laugh and cry and support each other. And there is nothing the TRAs can do to stop that or infiltrate that. Being part of a fellowship of women - it's the thing they want most and will never have.

This.

"Being part of a fellowship of women - it's the thing they want most and will never have."

I would gently disagree with this actually. For some well-meaning "sincere" transwomen, maybe. For the AGP group and trolls, not so much. The latter are the ones I really worry about and are the ones with the most powerful voices right now.

I wish MNHQ would do a Super(wo)man, fly backwards around the world, and get us back to where we were before it began.

Back to where the GRA was being debated in parliament in 2003 while most of the public were unaware of it. I realise that would be quite a few rotations

Ive been here for 11 years and had several bannings, the most recent being completely unfair (IMO!) as I was completely misread by the posters on the thread who reported me. I was then banned for a month I think? Due to previous bannings. Anyway my point being that if you are known for being GC and outspoken on here you will attract notice and many more reports than more innocuous posters. Since then I namechange regularly. I recommend it.

It's like watching an abuser demand that the police let him know exactly how far he can go in abusing his partner before it qualifies as domestic abuse so as to ensure he can continue without rebuke.

Transparent DARVO.

For the AGP group and trolls, not so much. The latter are the ones I really worry about and are the ones with the most powerful voices right now.

Yes, good point.

This is very frightening - it's NOT just about 'playing by the forum-owners' rules and if you don't like it get out' - not when the rules are set according to adherence to trans-Newspeak - treading on eggshells not to call men men - using 'the right pronouns' (fgs - when did PRONOUNS become such a sacred cow).

thebewilderness and Maryz - and other good women before them - one by one tossed out by MNHQ in an attempt to stop women standing up to men's demands and delusions.

My PSA comes from outside the so-called "little GC clique", as I don't think any poster here at FWR has ever responded to me or quoted me. But I post occasionally anyway.

hi PJs welcome to the clique

Another lurker here, dismayed at the banning of posters who have enlightened and educated me. This is the only place I know where people talk about these things and really the only reason I come to this site. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

Songsparrow there's thread here with a considerable number of lurkers commenting:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3291425-Gender-Critical-Lurkers

Are the decisions becoming harsher?

I was just commenting on a thread started following Paris Lees decision to leave a reality TV show.

It had become (what seemed to me) a wide-ranging interesting discussion about the sexist sterotypes described by some trans women and then 'poof', thread gone.

I may have to go for a walk having spent some time linking articles etc as the conversation meandered.

Come on Mumsnet

You are very likely indirectly discriminating against women here. Also GC feminists.

If anyone suspended/banned is interested in taking this further please do a subject access request.

Didn't realise Offred was gone. Her contributions were excellent and so lucid.

r0wan

Do you know why it was deleted

I saw it but hadn't looked at it

thread deletion message

Because it mentioned an individual's genitals, which is against Gulag Guidelines

It discussed the reasons why PL left the show as reported in various media sources. The thread was quite long and had evolved considerably.

Do you think MN keep the threads which are deleted in their entirety and then review the decisions?

Thanks r0wan

from the gust of the OP it seemed that a member of the cast brought up genitals

Surely as long as people arent rude about it then its up for discussion

In which case they could just delete the rude ones

Gist

Not gust

Stupid bloody ipad

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3368018-MNHQ-Please-take-another-look-at-the-posters-who-have-been-suspended