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[frogintheTyne]

Where is the bewilderness?

I miss her!

i don't know how MNHQ determine that they're PBP

I am quite happy to mention it.

I am happy that I said that women posting concerns about the safety of women and girls is not spam. I guess most women think that women posting about the safety of women and girls isn't spam.

I will get banned again, probably because I said I got banned for the above and someone will report me for saying it.

If they won't respond to emails asking how that breaks talk guidelines, then what is one supposed to do?

Lie down and forget about the safety of women and girls? That would be like selling one's soul to the devil.

Oh after. Must stop expecting people to talk to us and not just do jolly advertising promo's

after

which was part of the problem i suspect

check rule 3 in the web char guidelines. it's new - added on Tuesday

Good spot Bernard.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo?pg=12

Offred's leaving post is 4th down here.

can I just say how much I'm enjoying being called bernard? I was unsure about this NC, but now I think I might do it by deed poll irl

MN needs to have some kind of standard on how the mods behave, because there appears to be a huge discrepancy in how some mods deal with a post versus how others would.

Mumsnet doesn't need to offer any kind of explanation and to think that having been on this website for x number of years gives you any kind of privilege is deluded - as has been shown by the swift removal of those culprits who continuously flaunt the rules and test the mods patience.

Mumsnet have made it very clear that they're uncomfortable hosting the trans debate (battle) but have attempted to retain a place where GC posters can meet and discuss whilst other sites have taken a 'zero tolerance' stance. I've seen so many posters openly deriding mumsnet for stepping in and policing hateful rhetoric and frankly there seems to be a real sense of entitlement at times.

Many posters are clearly and shamelessly trying to find ways to be as combative as possible whilst staying within the rules, and this reminds me of 'designer drug' manufacturers who persistently change small elements of a drug's chemical structure in order to be able to say it's not on the banned list.

Some of the posters who have been banned have been extremely territorial on here before now, and although you love them for being within your little GC clique, I've been accused of being a man before and called lots of unpleasant names just for disagreeing with them on certain issues - for example, pointing out that lots of men don't actually have it so easy. I've seen quite a few users say that the territorial clique on here deters them from the FWR section.

It's like watching an abuser demand that the police let him know exactly how far he can go in abusing his partner before it qualifies as domestic abuse so as to ensure he can continue without rebuke.

Some mods might give you a second chance, others might believe in rehabilitation, but if you're repeatedly flaunting the guidelines (Spartacus threads etc) then they don't owe you any explanation forgiving you the boot. Suck it up and own your actions.

t's like watching an abuser demand that the police let him know exactly how far he can go in abusing his partner before it qualifies as domestic abuse so as to ensure he can continue without rebuke.

Yeah just like that. Suck it up bitches. How dare you want to question...stuff. Know your place.

Totally get that MN can take their ball and go home at any time PinkWombat

and god knows Justine doesn't just sit back and count the dineros - I know she gets a lot of shot, and not just about trans issues

but i struggle particularly with the inconsistency - and i think it's reasonable to point it out

shot? = shit

You are comparing an abusive man's behaviour (hurting women and children) with that of those whose only wish is to safeguard them ?

Wheeee

It's an easy trap to fall into where you believe so fervently in your caused that you believe the rules don't apply to you.

The issue is just too important to let us be constrained by the same rules as everybody else...

The minute I get compared to an abuser I just thinking about lemon drizzle cake

The precedent has been well and truly set for taking the ball and going home, then.

I meant the NSPCC and Creasy taking the ball (unfortunate cross-post with Bernard).

i don't know how MNHQ determine that they're PBP

Well, if you try to use the same email to register obviously they'll know, or presumably if you do it from the same IP. But if those aren't the same, then I guess they'd only know if the PBP revealed themselves either openly or via a nudge and a wink, or if the style was distinctive (as with the midnight misogynist. For example) - and if such posts were flagged up.

The thing is PinkWombat that MN is in a symbiotic relationship with it's posters

I don't have to worry about their server capacity (thank god), and they don't have to worry about providing content, because here we all are, beavering away doing it for them

they take the greater risk, so they're in charge

BUT when you're in that sort of relationship it's normal to have a formal or informal covenant about how you'll treat each other

given that a lot of MNs rules are about treating others with respect and politeness, I don't think it's unreasonable to raise it when it feels like they're not doing the same

offred has a legacy, as does every single woman who posted here over the last couple of years,whether some of us recognised it at the time or not.

And the key thing materialist mentioned: genderists have a false view of their popular support because of all the silencing

This is the most important thing right now. Those genderists, living their life on social media, must be so frustrated, as they cannot control the real life arena - the one where we're having conversations with our parents, our friends, our work colleagues, the people we bump into during our real life experience.

It must be increasingly frustrating that their bubble is being restricted. Surprisngly to them I have enough empathy to understand why they're feeling frustrated right now, and going on the attack.

But I have more empathy with women and girls, so can't join their frustration bubble. Soz Roz, Jane Fae, Shon, Jess Bradley, Aimee, Tara H, Monroe, Karen White, Ian Bradley,

On the posie Parker thread, a few of us reported the thread/comments and asked if posie could be reinstated. I got a message that they are considering her reinstatement.

Is it worth getting a list together and asking MNHQ to look at it again. Rule 3 has only just been introduced. It is really unfair that posters have been banned with no previous strikes etc. and with barely an explanation.

Absolutely pombear and here's to the lurkers, like me, who are quietly reading and learning and researching and talking and joining groups and writing letters. And those who, again like me, have left and changed names and reappear after a break. We are all quietly your cheerleaders even if we can't or won't raise our heads above the parapet. We are here.

I know that these days, there are tons of lurkers, all busy quietly doing stuff behind the scenes, and I know that these days there are many more people who see this for what it is and call it out publicly...and I just hope that once we are all deleted banned, blocked; you take up the banner for the next lot of lurkers and gobby shites who wont take it lying down.

Seems germane to several MIA posters:

This right here pretty much sums up the problem for gender critical feminists. A handful of activists are being allowed to make policy and influence legislation on the basis of views that are so ludicrous, the rest of the world can’t believe anyone actually holds them.

Whenever I try to discuss self ID with people who are relatively uninformed, I have to spend the first few minutes just battling through their suspicion and scepticism that anyone can really, genuinely be arguing the things that trans activists are arguing.

Then, when I do persuade them that some people hold these views, they assume such people must be such cranks and eccentrics that their influence is insignificant. NOPE. They are currently shaping policy on sex and gender in pretty much every political party and public sector org.

• Do go and read the sub-tweet and the remainder of the thread.

twitter.com/boodleoops/status/1041236141968699392

Whilst i would much prefer those articulate passionate posters were still on this board te silver lining is it makes it easier for some of the lurkers to start getting engaged. When I joined (under a different name) they were so articulate the discussion had moved on before I worked out what I wanted to say or it had all been said.
We can't all decamp but there is a continuous cycle of women and a few men coming here, starting to understand the issues, starting to talk to people in real life and contributing. The legacy of those posters continues. So restrictions or not this is one of the few places where we can discuss this stuff.

@Juells I was afraid that would be the case.

@Halfeatentoast Yes, there are many of us lurkers; you put it so much more eloquently than I could

An account created today telling women they have no right to be stroppy -AIBU to be suspicious?

What's so threatening all of a sudden about women getting angry? There's gross madness irl regarding lowering safeguarding and putting women and children in harm's way, potentially leading to abuse on the scale of Jimmy Savile (as recent events have shown all too clearly).

To expect women not to be angry would I suspect be unreasonable.

There's always been a level of humour present in the FWR moderation and it's gone, apart from one or two experienced mods, to be replaced by an iron boot eye of Sauron.

The thing is respect gets respect - Quid pro quo. Women understand that MN doesn't want to be targeted but to treat women like they're the problem is missing the point surely? They're not the ones doing the targeting and have always valued this space. They're just talking and expressing concern and there's nothing wrong with that - isn't that what this platform is predicated upon? They have also in the past responded when asked to adapt.

It's when pressure is applied only in FWR, to very different rules from historically plus from the rest of the site, that users are naturally confused. Coupled with inconsistently applied moderation and differing interpretations, problems naturally start.

Perhaps before blaming women, reflection is needed about the expertise needed to successfully implement huge changes in online environments. To me, it looks like women are being blamed and hurt for protesting about what often looks and feels like coercion. I'm sure that is not the intent but recently, that is often the FWR user experience.