British Gymnastics also have drunk the koolaid

[GColdtimer]

So my dds gym coach sent me the guidelines, knowing my stance on these matters and asked what I thought (well he said he probably knew what I thought but wanted to share).

Here you go:

On Definitions:

1.3 -Children sometimes know from a very young age and change their gender role sometimes before starting or during their early years in school. Others may only become fully aware when puberty starts. In some cases, such feelings may be repressed for many years.

1.6-1.7 refer to the EA, protected characteristics and the WEC

The rest of section one refers to the guidelines set down by the IOC etc which appear to be all about testosterone rather than muscle mass, lung capacity, strength etc.

1.15 says that pre16 boys (who identify as girls, purely because they feel like a girl) can compete alongside girls. Funny how it doesn’t mention trans boys. Is this because, perhaps, a 15 year old female bodied trans boy probably wouldn't want to compete alongside the boys because they will likely loose.

5.6 explains what being trans is about all over again "Signs can appear at a very young age e.g. a child refusing to wear typical clothes of their gender or taking part in non- typical games."

7.11 - Changing Rooms: Competition organisers must ensure that all participants are able to have access to changing rooms and toilets, according to the gender in which they present. It is not acceptable to restrict them to using disabled toilets or other unisex facilities unless this is specifically requested by the participant.

So boys can get changed with the girls because they say they are girls. And girls cannot complain or express their unease at this situation. What about protecting girls safety, dignity, privacy.

In their notes: "If an individual remains unhappy about a trans person using facilities appropriate to their gender identity, then they should make alternative arrangements” So basically if a teenage girl doesn’t want to get changed with a boy, it tough. She should go elsewhere.

And then this gem:

Residential events: As far as possible, trans people should be able to sleep in a room appropriate to their gender identity. However, some trans people may not feel comfortable doing this and in such cases alternative sleeping arrangements should be considered for privacy reasons. It is important to consider the options in advance and find out if they would prefer a separate room if this option would be available. Again, what about the girls privacy.

Who wrote these guidelines? Oh look, Stonewall and Mermaids advised.

I need to go for a run to calm down.

Challenor Jnr was barely out of school when appointed to the Stonewall advisory group, and often accompanied by Challenor Snr on Green Party business (photo credits in his name). So yes, it would be naïve to assume that dad didn't exert some influence, as they were clearly close.

Didn't Challenor Jnr propose some GP motion that GP members could retain their membership, even if convicted of serious crimes?

I agree that Jr was most likely acting on the advice of dad.

Yes - they did.

I worry about Jr TBH as it came out that on top of having some of the same rather niche sexual predilictions as dad, they were in contact with much older men online, around these fetishes, also via dad presumably, and seeing these men IRL. When they were v young like ? can't remember exactly but like 15 or 16?

They have done a load of shit stuff obv but I do think there are ? around what they have been exposed to, I think it's obvious they've been groomed by dad for the political stuff & ?? these fetishes, introduced to older men when they're so young, I worry about what might have been going on there TBH.

Just seen this on Twitter.

So a 42 year old bloke whose fetish is tutus was allowed to do a ballet class with 8-16 year old girls.

Wtf Terfed?

It just gets worse and worse.

FFS.

Ffs. His ballet teacher helped him embrace his inner Rachel.

OMG

Jesus Christ!

WTAF

Pervy creepy men

I don't care if it's "kink shaming"

8yo girls being told this is normal and they should treat an adult man with a fetish the same as their little friend, that he IS the same.

Gone back to an ancient username for this, but I posted upthread earlier and on other threads here. But it would be interesting, and stomach churning, to see how many of these TRAs are running fetlife accounts and what their listed fetishes are. I'm not anti-kink at all, but I'm a mother and I don't want people with leotard fetishes in a ballet class with children!!

Well we know so far that of prominent UK activists

One has a blog thingy with pics with dick out at bus stops / work (open plan office) presumably wanking it, and some stuff involving underage boys (stories / drawings / not sure if involves real boys?)

One is teh UKs leading advocate for the legalisation of extreme porn

One is a furry and ? adult baby and their dad also was a transgirl / furry / adult baby and has gone to prison for child sex offences

One says that girls should "get tits early and suck cock"

One yesterday - something about sexual consent not being the be all and end all? maybe someone has a quote

One who is the mate of that non binary chap who wanted (and was allowed to) use the girls changing rooms in topshop >> described little girls as "kinky"

erm

That's off teh top of my head.

I don't care what kinks and fetishes people act out in their private lives, but when they try and get off on it in public by involuntarily co-opting strangers in some sort of bizarre validation attempt, then I'm afraid it's time to say 'no way'.

I categorically do not give my consent to unwittingly be part of a stranger's fetish.

The "pervy man" klaxon has been sounding loudly for lots of women around this for ages, the pushes to allow men and boys into places where women and girls are vulnerable / naked >>> seems to be the MAIN and often sole focus of activism.

Trans people have all the rights that everyone else has, it's a cateogry for hate crime purposes, a protected characteristic etc etc
The only thing they are fighting for LITERALLY is access to places where women and girls historically and for very good reasons are with other women and girls only.

NothingOnTellyAgain

Just the tip of the iceberg, I suspect.

++ access to compete against women is sports, compete against them in women on prizes, take places on boards societies etc and get counted towards women making inroads in representation, get counted in female crime stats thus providing fuel to the MRA "women do it too" arguments and invisibilising sex differences in certain crimes,

Recently a load of women politicians and people on a panel said it would be fantastic if 50% women's representation in parliament was achieved with 50% male 50% transwomen.

One of the activists said "enjoy your erasure" and this was no joke.

NothingOnTellyAgain and those are just the ones who've been caught and/or what they're prepared to admit to in a generally accessible, non-kink sphere. I dread to think what they'd list in view of other kinksters where "Your kink is not my kink, but your kink is ok" is the rule they're meant to live by.

Mind you, it's also meant to be safe, sane and consensual, so a large number have fallen at the first hurdle.

The crime thing is interesting.

One trans group has on it's manifesto that all tran prisoners should be released from prison immediately (erm rigthho)

AC put a motion at the greens that people who have been accused / convicted (forget which) of crimes aren't automatically kicked out (forget the detail it's on another thread)

Of course there is the idea that once in the criminal justice system, everyone should be put in the prison that they choose, justification is that women commit sex offences too including in prison and so it's fine to put male rapists in, if there are problems then they just need to think about how to manage it a bit more

So it's a lot around
Access to vulnerable girls and women
Minimal consequences for abusers

Amongst all these interlinked people who are advising school teens children etc are some who have worked closely / collaborated with those who see people who seek "intergenerational" sex as the most oppressed of the sexualities...

And on and on we go.

Women are flagging it as it's always us who are first to say "that bloke over there is a pervy creep" but of course lots of poeple don't listen and then you end up with 42 year old men with tutu fetishes taking ballet classes with 8yo girls and serial rapists being locked in womens prisons.

Christ, this thread is depressing.

This is all in plain sight.

One of the wisest things I've taken from reading these FWR threads over the last few months is to question why any male should want access to female-only space.

I don't care how 'poor little me' the reasoning is, the answer should be 'no'. Every time.

Including, may I add, those with GRCs. Even post-surgery ones. I don't buy the 'it's not safe in the mens' crap - wear something low-key like the majority of women do when they're going about their daily business if you're worried. I doubt if men actually care who else is in with them.

The only real reason I can see is for them to want access is for validation and that makes them no different to a part-time cross dresser who wants to take a selfie in the ladies.

So any organisation which is promoting this transgender ideology should be looked at in great detail. The public clearly aren't demanding it....so who is?

If anyone has the time, it's worth reading this link threadreaderapp.com/thread/991258039511670784.html

In it, there are excerpts from a "Paedophile manifesto". One of the most telling, and chilling, is the section shown in the attached photo - how to get the schools to be complicit. It exactly describes how the trans ideology is being pushed in schools now.

And so I wonder whether there is a crossover here - get the public to accept the trans self-ID, which will allow any number of sexual predators into women's and girls' safe spaces, and then steadily move towards the public acceptance that sex with minors is a "sexual orientation" and should no longer be criminal activity. If you have the energy to read the rest of the stuff in the link, that does seem to be part of the plan - desensitising the public to lesser issues, so that acceptance of paedophilia is less of a jump.

Thumbwitch

That is deeply disturbing

Well, for sure, paedophiles haven't simply gone away and I doubt they're all satisfied by wanking over the unlimited porn now freely available in their bedrooms.

Parents need to be super-vigilant and ANY attempt to reduce safe-guarding should be looked at with suspicion, particularly focussing on the individuals who are complicit on pushing it through.

#weseeyou

The fact that trans organisations are telling teachers to keep a child disclosing they're trans a secret should make everyone stop in their tracks. Let alone the suggestions that parents may not be the 'best' people to support their children.
This is the script that abusers use (and that's without mentioning the sweeties and penguins and puppies).

These guidelines are shameful and yet again, this is children and their rights to boundaries being targeted.

Isn't this exactly what trans activists and their allies are pushing, the 'de-programming children, to accept male bodies in their spaces- start with making it so teen girls have to accept teenage boys in their changing rooms and toilets (All Sorts) and then it becomes less of a jump between teen girls and adult males. I am pretty sure their next step would be to lower the age of consent to be in line with other countries

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but the increasing evidence around this is convincing.

It is deeply, deeply disturbing.

And I'm sure many of the foot soldiers pushing the trans agenda would be horrified if they realised that they were being used as a front for this.